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Old 09-26-2011, 08:49 PM   #15
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Pretty soon it will be like driving a semi truck. Do they come with a jake brake too? LOL
Thats what crossed my mind too!
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Old 09-26-2011, 09:04 PM   #16
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I'm thinking they'll do like they did with a 5 speed

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they always put reverse on the wrong side..... great for backing up when you want to go forward
Like the LS/LT M6
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:01 PM   #17
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VW puts dual clutches in their cheaper vehicles why not GM? is there an inherit weak spot in putting a dual clutch in a truck? reliability?
I think there are refinement issues with them. VW and Ford are both using them in some of their lower priced cars, and both have been flamed for being jerky in reviews.

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I'm thinking they'll do like they did with a 5 speed

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wouldn't be surprised if Porsche did it this way though

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they always put reverse on the wrong side..... great for backing up when you want to go forward
I've actually always preferred reverse on the left. The first example looks like a great way to hit reverse when aiming for 6th, particularly when going from 7th to 6th.
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:19 PM   #19
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7 speeds is starting to be too many, particularly if you have to shift through them all manually. I already skip gears on may car (to save shifting, not because of the skip-shift feature). I hope this isn't foreshadowing future engine choices. If I wanted a torqueless engine that needed granny gears and 8-9K RPM to do anything, I'd have bought a Honda. That is great for race cars, but cars that are driven on public roads need torque much more than they need horsepower.

I've driven many cars with newer, high horsepower V6s. They prove that there is no replacement for displacement. I don't care if it does have 300+ horsepower, if it is constantly bogged down because it as no torque, but is geared as if it does, it is going to "feel" like a 100hp economy car most of the time, regardless of its horsepower rating.

By the way, what is the shift pattern going to look like with 7 forward speeds? 6 gears already fills up the H.
my feelings exactly. i dont want to buy a corvette that runs like a ferrari. i want a corvette that runs and sounds like a corvette. i say stick with 6 speeds and keep displacement. i believe companies today are capable of squeezing out good HP numbers and good MPGs
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:25 PM   #20
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The throws are getting so short, though...it's less of a "shift" and more of a "click"....

I remember shifting a family member's old...something...forget what it was...shifting felt like I was reaching to change the radio (and I have shifted a big truck, too. ) Nowadays...especially with the "short-throw" shifters in the Corvette and Camaro, etc...it's nothing more than a flick of the wrist.

and fwiw...just skip a few gears driving to the grocery store and you could have a 2-speed manual...a 3-speed...4-speed...or all seven if you feel like it.

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i believe companies today are capable of squeezing out good HP numbers and good MPGs
I believe the same...trouble is - this is how they might be doing it...
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:37 PM   #21
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If nothing else ... it will make skipshift slightly less annoying
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:40 PM   #22
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Like the LS/LT M6
I've seen people do that a few times in our group.... one about backed into me . Me and my dad drove a M6 LT once..... he's used to the SS..... pushed it over right and up for reverse.... That doesn't work so good

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I've actually always preferred reverse on the left. The first example looks like a great way to hit reverse when aiming for 6th, particularly when going from 7th to 6th.

don't have issues shifting to reverse going to 5th?? why should you from 7-6?
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:00 AM   #23
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VW puts dual clutches in their cheaper vehicles why not GM? is there an inherit weak spot in putting a dual clutch in a truck? reliability?
excatly, those cheap vw vehicles don't make much torque. same with the ford focus dct. You can make a strong dct, but i bet the cost isnt worth it.
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excatly, those cheap vw vehicles don't make much torque. same with the ford focus dct. You can make a strong dct, but i bet the cost isnt worth it.
Exactly. If I remember right...Porsche or one of the other big European names said they were going to not use Dual Clutches quite as often because they're so expensive to make them stand up to the torque their high-end models make.

And that's not talking about the difficulties these transmissions tend to have at low speeds because they can't feather their clutches very well, and they lack a torque converter.

Don't get me wrong - I think they're awesome!! But it seems they aren't the be-all, end-all transmission of the future, just yet...
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Exactly. If I remember right...Porsche or one of the other big European names said they were going to not use Dual Clutches quite as often because they're so expensive to make them stand up to the torque their high-end models make.

And that's not talking about the difficulties these transmissions tend to have at low speeds because they can't feather their clutches very well, and they lack a torque converter.

kinda like how the new Lambo uses a single clutch system (as do others). Wanna see how they do at low speeds? Go drive a smart car in a parking lot.... they use a single clutch system, and it feels like a 14 year old learning to drive stick
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:05 AM   #26
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That I know of there is no "Common knowledge" outside of GM (and they are not talking). Everything is just speculation at this point...





People that are in the know do not usually speak...

"Inside Line has learned that the 2014 C7 Chevrolet Corvette will be available with a seven-speed manual transmission.

Although not confirmed officially by Chevrolet, a source with knowledge of the C7 project confirmed that the upcoming Corvette will offer a seven-speed manual transmission."
Actualy, GM already announced they were making 8 speed auto transmissions for RWD applications.
RWD applications = Trucks, SUVs, cadillacs, next gen camaro, probably the 2014 VF commodre and other zeta cars. etc...
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At some point, it's just too much. I miss my old 4 speed Z28.
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Pretty soon it will be like driving a semi truck. Do they come with a jake brake too? LOL
hell! if they keep it up, "fuller" will jump back in,and
put 15 speed "roadrangers" in 'em!.(lol!)..just sayin'
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:45 AM   #28
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I'm thinking they'll do like they did with a 5 speed

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wouldn't be surprised if Porsche did it this way though

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they always put reverse on the wrong side..... great for backing up when you want to go forward
what do ya expect with a car that costs more than a house? heh! heh heh!
may fool ya someday and do it right! could be along wait though!..just sayin'
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