Here goes the UAW again....

[Larz29]

Cab2g I agree with most of your points and yes, working on an assembly like takes more skill than someone working a hot dog stand and that's why they get paid more. I agree companies want to find top tallent and they will pay much more for a CEO than a line worker, however if I sit on the board of a major corporation what is in it for the company to pay out a few thousand times more than even middle management makes for (1) person?? And I believe you do get paid based on your skills. That is certainly the case in my perfession, but I don't make a ton more than the average person either... All I'm saying is their should be a ballance.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by nferno

so those people who had to work instead of going to further there knowledge do not have the right to get a good working wage and health care? and should not have a family?

No, they made a choice. In the U.S., you don't have a "right" to a job, or a "right" to health care, or a "right" to anything else associated with employment. You do have the right to quit (assuming no contract) and go find a different/better job. This is partly the problem with America right now, is that the Entitlement Society somehow feels it's others' problems for their well-being and they have some sort of "right" to a job.

If you got the moxy, drive, and desire, you too could be making 20 million or more a year. But if you don't, then you'll settle for table scraps. If you want better for yourself, you can't wish it true, or make those better off than you pay for your lack of initiative. But with that said, not everyone can be a CEO.

To put it bluntly, like in the navy, if it wasn't issued in your sea bag, it's your problem. If you think you can afford to get married and have a family, do it. If you can't, then sacrifice, get an education (I finished my college degree while working full time, so nobody can say it cannot be done), get a better paying job and then go get and raise your family. Depend on yourself, not others. If you want something bad enough, you'll find a way. If not, you probably need to stay where you are.

[Larz29]

Drive and the desire to make a better life for ourselves is what America is built on. There is no doubt about that. I also agree that a lot of people are less than motivated, but that's their own problem.

When I say we need to have a heart is basically for individuals who do not have the ability to help themselves or people down on their luck. I don't think that permotes an entittlement society.

[el ess A]

International president, if paid hourly, would make $73.68 per hour. Before union dues and bennies, I'm guessing.

http://www.uaw.org/page/uaw-constitution-salaries

Section 3. The salaries of the International President, International Secretary-Treasurer, International Vice Presidents and International Executive Board Members in full for services rendered by each of said officers shall be the following sums:
International President, one hundred and fifty-three thousand, two hundred and forty-eight dollars and twenty-nine cents ($153,248.29) per annum.
International Secretary-Treasurer, one hundred and forty-two thousand, eighty dollars and eighty-seven cents ($142,080.87) per annum.
International Vice Presidents, one hundred and thirty-seven thousand, seven hundred and eighteen dollars and fifty-nine cents ($137,718.59) per annum.
International Executive Board Members, one hundred and twenty-six thousand, five hundred and fifty-one dollars and thirteen cents cents ($126,551.13) per annum.
Salaries shall be payable in biweekly installments.

[DJ UNKNOWN]

Originally Posted by canadian ss

Higher paying jobs require higher education! Period!

A person putting a door on a vehicle with the HELP of a robot and tightening a few bolts is not worth the amount they get paid.

I own my own auto repair business and work alone. No union to suck my profits out of me. In return, I can repair a vehicle for cheaper because its only I that I have to pay.

I am a qualified certified technician that lost my job due to corporate B/S and was left out in the cold with nothing more than employment insurance and a DRIVE TO MAKE SOMETHING OF MYSELF!!!

I am all for hiring and employing people. Hard working people. The more knowledge they have, the more they get paid.
To give a line jockey with nothing behind them more money....for what? So the Camaro costs more and makes it unaffordable for everyone because a line worker got an undeserving raise? If you can't afford a NEW car, blame the union and its wage increases. It has to be recouped somehow! Usually from the consumer.

Unions only protect you from being fired. If you are needing a union for that...you deserve $10/hr.

Minimum wage usually stands for minimum education.

REMINDER: All of you who have complained about the quality of the Camaro or any car should look no further than the line worker who wants more of the companies money!

Is it making sense now?

Wow......this is just wrong on sooooo many levels

[canadian ss]

Explain please.

[canadian ss]

Originally Posted by DJ UNKNOWN

Wow......this is just wrong on sooooo many levels

Explain why? Don't stop at your comment. Lets hear your view on my comment.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by DJ UNKNOWN

Open your eyes, there's plenty of highly skilled and educated people who can't get better jobs! What planet do some of you people live on????

And when they lose their job, they refuse to take a lesser job until something else better comes along ... That's the problem

[liquidsmoke]

i would love to chime in with my thoughts on unions and what not, but being mostly ignorant to the finer details i can't really add anything to the conversation. But i do have some questions.

In 2011 is there really a need for unions in ameraica in there current form?

also, whats to stop a company like GM from saying, ok were done with unions, if u want to work here you can't be in a union and that be the end of it. This to me seems like, if companies didn't like unions (which I'm sure they don't) would be the end game as the company can wait a lot longer than an individual can.

[djsnoflake]

Originally Posted by el ess X

International president, if paid hourly, would make $73.68 per hour. Before union dues and bennies, I'm guessing.

http://www.uaw.org/page/uaw-constitution-salaries

There you go! You don't have to have a great education to get paid well! Just be a union President

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by canadian ss

Explain why? Don't stop at your comment. Lets hear your view on my comment.

he doesn't have anything. he's the kind of person who thinks people should receive extra benefits for nothing and that someone working a single 10 $/hr job should be able to support a family ...

[nferno]

Originally Posted by shines

If being a CEO is so simple, why do you not try it yourself? You have no idea what the job entails. It's highly stressfull and the bad CEO's are shortlived.

never said it was easy just they are not worth the money. They get paid , no one is worth that much and most CEO's never work in the industry they run. all I am saying is if your going to cut, cut everywere if you want prices to go done do not just blame the worker. cut the cost of the product then cut the workes cost the the ceo and uppermanagment takes a cut as well then when things pick back up reverse it. I have yet to witness a company cut there employees pay and benifits and then the price of the product or service gose down! Nope just the ceo's and upper mgr taking a bigger bounes and raise no cuts for the customer same price if not more just less people working

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by DJ UNKNOWN

Open your eyes, there's plenty of highly skilled and educated people who can't get better jobs! What planet do some of you people live on????

I live on a planet that is a global economy where my production will be sold world wide and is competing with other products on the same playing field. I live in a country which is unable to compete on a global scale because labor prices here are too high for companies to make a competitive product on that global market. The reason the educated people you mention cannot find a job is that the people who can produce the product are too expensive here. That, coupled with insane regulations and taxes that are too high, make it impossible to sustain a factory and remain competitive here. This is why Mexico, China, India and Pakistan have become manufacturing centers and our jobs leave these shores. Unions demand more money, labor rates go up...and the jobs leave. Simple as that.

Those that want to blame high paid CEO's need to look at the regulations and costs that are forcing the CEO to look off shore to make his/her products. Their job is to keep the shareholders in the black in any means necessary - if that means traveling to China to visit the production facility, so be it.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by nferno

you said it right here (And the pensions and benefits packages promised to each of those unions ) the politicians signed the contracts. Now they need to honor it. it is not a one way deal the union dose not go in there and get what ever they want. Plus I blame the housing crash and the banks for all the bogus loans etc.. they caused the towns to start to fail as people were kicked out of there homes and no taxes coming in. again greed from bankers trying to rip people off (and they got away with it) I need to honor all the contracts I sign when times are good or bad. . why should the towns and companys be any different?

That is one of the funniest comments I have ever read! You are going to hold the politicians responsible? Politicians spend YOUR and MY money, not their own. Why would they care how much they agree to pay? Better yet, what power do they have to negotiate with government unions? Will they go out of business if they over compensate people by 2, 3, or 4 times what they are worth?

No, the government just keeps on writing checks from my account, my daughter's account, your account...