Here goes the UAW again....

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by nferno

There are plenty of unions in right to work states. cops, firefieghters, utility workers etc... so what ur point? people should have the right to to a fair wage. as one post stated those who forget there past is bond to repeat it. so let the companys walk all over the workers again.. and they will if we let them.

And the pensions and benefits packages promised to each of those unions in nearly every state and major city in the country is bankrupting the cities and states. Cities and states raise taxes every year to pay these huge sums and more and more jobs leave in search of lower taxes in order to produce their products at a price people can afford. I am all for people making a decent wage, but when the guy filling the pothole in my road with tar and asphault (and doing a piss-poor job of it too boot) is making $75,000 a year + Benefits...that is unsustainable. These packages that are put in place for workers on the state/city payrolls are literally destroying the budgets of cities and states all over our country.

Further, when you look at politicians having unbelievable benefits packages and full pay with cost of living increases yearly FOR LIFE after retirement or replacement through election after 1-2 terms - that is completely and utterly unrealistic. What value did they add to the economy at any juncture of their carreer? And who gave them the packages...they did. Kind of like the UAW "negotiating" with GM Board members put in place by the UAW over their new contract. That's like the Globtrotters playing against the Generals in Wheelchairs...no contest.

[shines]

Originally Posted by DJ UNKNOWN

LOL....I'd like to see u raise a family on $10bucks a hr! And let me no how that works out for u

If all you're skilled enough to command is $10/hr you have no business trying to support a family. If you do it, I suggest you get a 2nd job. Pretty simple.

[Larz29]

shines - I would have completely agreed with you a few years ago, but given what has happened in the past few years with the economic downturn, I now disagree based on the fact you have not only college grads but skilled tradesmen who are more than qualified for $30/hr but because of a situation beyond their control can only find a $10/hr job. These statements are facts... Sure you have people who decided not to make anything of their lives from an educational standpoint, but more so than not today a lot of people can't find good paying jobs.

[nferno]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

And the pensions and benefits packages promised to each of those unions in nearly every state and major city in the country is bankrupting the cities and states. Cities and states raise taxes every year to pay these huge sums and more and more jobs leave in search of lower taxes in order to produce their products at a price people can afford. I am all for people making a decent wage, but when the guy filling the pothole in my road with tar and asphault (and doing a piss-poor job of it too boot) is making $75,000 a year + Benefits...that is unsustainable. These packages that are put in place for workers on the state/city payrolls are literally destroying the budgets of cities and states all over our country.

Further, when you look at politicians having unbelievable benefits packages and full pay with cost of living increases yearly FOR LIFE after retirement or replacement through election after 1-2 terms - that is completely and utterly unrealistic. What value did they add to the economy at any juncture of their carreer? And who gave them the packages...they did. Kind of like the UAW "negotiating" with GM Board members put in place by the UAW over their new contract. That's like the Globtrotters playing against the Generals in Wheelchairs...no contest.

you said it right here (And the pensions and benefits packages promised to each of those unions ) the politicians signed the contracts. Now they need to honor it. it is not a one way deal the union dose not go in there and get what ever they want. Plus I blame the housing crash and the banks for all the bogus loans etc.. they caused the towns to start to fail as people were kicked out of there homes and no taxes coming in. again greed from bankers trying to rip people off (and they got away with it) I need to honor all the contracts I sign when times are good or bad. . why should the towns and companys be any different?

[shines]

Based on the response of the interviewed UAW worker, she had no idea or atmleast no input on whether or not the UAW leadership pushed for their pay raises. That points out a fundamental problem with the UAW, they are out of touch with their membership.

How is it that UAW members accept the huge salaries and benefits of the union leaders? IMO a union should be run by a committee of members.

[Larz29]

I agree the union should be run by committee members each with an equal vote - simular to how a city is run.

Is there anyone here who agrees that CEO's are way overpaid? As a shareholder of certain companies, the majority of what a CEO and other exec's get should go back to us evenly based on the number of shares we own.

[djsnoflake]

Of course there are people that are way overpaid for their jobs. That's capitalism. The market dictates your salary, and when you have companies fighting between themselves to pay a CEO a couple million a year, the market dictates that is what you are worth.

[shines]

Originally Posted by Larz29

I agree the union should be run by committee members each with an equal vote - simular to how a city is run.

Is there anyone here who agrees that CEO's are way overpaid? As a shareholder of certain companies, the majority of what a CEO and other exec's get should go back to us evenly based on the number of shares we own.

CEO pay is usually governed by the performance of the company and is approved by the board of directors. If he meets performance requirments I have no problem with his pay. This is America, not red China.

[nferno]

Originally Posted by shines

CEO pay is usually governed by the performance of the company and is approved by the board of directors. If he meets performance requirments I have no problem with his pay. This is America, not red China.

Ok, so if the compamy is not doing Well, Why do they still get it? After layoffs and benifit cuts etc... If it needs to be done to save the company thats ok, but if is for them to meet there prefomance mark not ok.... and I agree (This is America, not red China) meaning the workes have a voice here also.. the workers have a right to there voice

[DJ UNKNOWN]

Originally Posted by shines

CEO pay is usually governed by the performance of the company and is approved by the board of directors. If he meets performance requirments I have no problem with his pay. This is America, not red China.

Then why do so many people have a problem with hourly workers making a decent wage with affordable benefits? Doesn't matter if they're union or not!

[nferno]

Originally Posted by DJ UNKNOWN

Then why do so many people have a problem with hourly workers making a decent wage with affordable benefits? Doesn't matter if they're union or not!

exactly!

[DJ UNKNOWN]

Originally Posted by shines

If all you're skilled enough to command is $10/hr you have no business trying to support a family. If you do it, I suggest you get a 2nd job. Pretty simple.

Open your eyes, there's plenty of highly skilled and educated people who can't get better jobs! What planet do some of you people live on????

[Berean]

People make the mistake of thinking labor is somehow different than any other commodity. It isn't.

Someone with $10 an hour skills will make $10. The only question is whether the political system will manipulate the commodity and force a higher expense, either through minimum wage laws or union protection etc.

It's no different than when the government interferes with market forces to manipulate the price of other commodities that it favors, like milk, sugar, ethanol, etc.

The market doesn't change, we all just pay higher prices than we should otherwise have to.

[shines]

Originally Posted by Larz29

Slingshot ... LOL ... I'm sure you are only speaking for your own personal situation because go your local Sears automotive and ask the hard working mechanic if he could afford a new Camaro? They probalby can't in your state or any other. My point is, of course not everyone can have a car like this, or a 4000 sq. ft. house, or yearly vacations to wherever but if a company CEO can make 20 mil/yr why shouldn't the guy putting the parts on your camaro earn $50k/yr with good health insurance? Your arguement doesn't make sense.

That's because there are tens of thousands of people that can do the mehanics job and are willing to do it for less money. Whereas there are few people qualified to be CEO of a corporaton and the demand for their skill set is high. It's simple supply and demand economics; something government run schools have avoided (deliberately) teaching properly.

If you want dictated salaries, move to red China