Fox New Just Reported, GM Board of Directors Gone Also.

[Tal]

When Wagoner took over GM was already completely fubar, the world was simply still pretending that they weren't fubar, kind of like it pretended that all of those sub-prime mortgages were a good idea. I'm sure Wagoner and crew weren't perfect but GM seems to have turned around it's quality problems, and to be making much more competitive vehicles than they were 5-10 years ago, these are both big changes that had to be made to keep GM from being in even worse shape. Before that they were headed the direction of Chrysler, which obviously wasn't a good direction to go. Now they are being ground down by problems that have been building for decades though, and of course the worldwide economic slowdown.

[OverAnxious]

I agree Rick should be gone. Nobody in charge of a company that goes downhill should keep a job. My major issue is the govt' basically making it happen.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Supermans

in Obama's eyes, GM is not a private company anymore..That is the real trick behind all these "orders"...



I agree, a sub-forum should be created to allow talk of politics once more. I think it is about time considering the Government will soon own a majority stake in GM.. This forum shouldn't cater to silencing or censoring talk that I feel is very important during these times.. Remember that sugar-coating everything and erasing threads that are simply going against the current administration is only helping out the take-over..

Absolutely not.

Go somewhere else to have that discussion. I'm sorry we are being so absolute on this but you remember the disaster we had here the last time.

We will not make that mistake again. Not gonna happen.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by rmyers

Why.....when you have one political party attempting to take control and change everything that is great about this country, it is my patriotic duty to speak up and call it like i see it.

Speak up somewhere else. We universally don't allow political debate here. From either side.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

Absolutely not.

Go somewhere else to have that discussion. I'm sorry we are being so absolute on this but you remember the disaster we had here the last time.

We will not make that mistake again. Not gonna happen.

What disaster? And how can you possibly talk about these issues without politics..

[DeathChill]

Wagoner definitely needed to be gone, as did the board of directors.

People seem to think that just because they made slight improvements that it was good enough. They need a CEO who can turn the entire company around and they don't need a board of directors who is obviously out of touch with reality (otherwise the CEO wouldn't be getting away with letting the company drown).

Anyone who thinks it can't be done needs to look at what Steve Jobs did for Apple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Return_to_Apple

Apple was just about done and Jobs came back and made the company what it is today, with the help of a competent team.

[bigralph]

It looks like GM is now nationalize.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Supermans

What disaster? And how can you possibly talk about these issues without politics..

The Political sub forum we set up for the election.

As good as our members are, it kept spilling over to other forums and immature bickering was all over the place. Until the URL says Camaro5.gov, political commentary is out.

Let it go.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by bigralph

It looks like GM is now nationalize.

It sure looks like it..And where is the outrage? what can people do about it? Absolutely nothing..

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

The Political sub forum we set up for the election.

As good as our members are, it kept spilling over to other forums and immature bickering was all over the place. Until the URL says Camaro5.gov, political commentary is out.

Let it go.

alright, I will let it go.. I can't start riots and tea parties everywhere I go now can I ..

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Wagoner definitely needed to be gone, as did the board of directors.

People seem to think that just because they made slight improvements that it was good enough. They need a CEO who can turn the entire company around and they don't need a board of directors who is obviously out of touch with reality (otherwise the CEO wouldn't be getting away with letting the company drown).

Anyone who thinks it can't be done needs to look at what Steve Jobs did for Apple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Return_to_Apple

Apple was just about done and Jobs came back and made the company what it is today, with the help of a competent team.

You find me a single person...or even a "team" of people that can turn around a behemoth like General Motors in the time some of you people expect. He turned them. Not a total 180°, and no -- he wasn't perfect. But they're a different company from the one that existed 10 years ago, and it's largely because of Wagoner and his team. For heaven's sakes -- it was Wagoner who begged Lutz to come back and oversee the product revolution that's taken place in the past 5 years.

(And don't give Apple as an example: They threw up a few "i-this" products, and took the world by storm with a gimmick. They nearly created the Mp3 player market, so it's no wonder they're doing well...name a segment in the auto business today that a company hasn't explored, yet....)

He's a scapegoat, and nothing more. Because that's what people want to see: Firings. Dismissals. Nobody understands whats going on, but obviously it's somebody's "fault". So somebody must "pay". It's the absolutely idiotic mob-mentality that's sweeping the nation af late -- and of all the issues; that is the one that scares me the most.

My heart bleeds for this guy...collateral damage to preserve the company.:(

Originally Posted by bigralph

It looks like GM is now nationalize.

How so? I have a few rebuttles, but I'm genuinely interested in what 'proof' you have of that?

[justmeron]

Dont wanna be political. But my initial thought is. With a new board of dir. and close government review what does this mean for our cars. This forum is about the camaro. The Gov. and GM has stated they will honor our warranty. Great. But what if the new board decides we must go hybrid and stop the Camaro? Am I just paranoid or does anyone see this as a possability?

[BigRigMike]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

You find me a single person...or even a "team" of people that can turn around a behemoth like General Motors in the time some of you people expect.
:(

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by justmeron

But what if the new board decides we must go hybrid and stop the Camaro? Am I just paranoid or does anyone see this as a possability?

Paranoid. The Camaro has a solid future for this generation, at the very least. And so long as the rest of the fleet compensates for any mileage deficiet -- future generations will be fine, because it will sell (and that's the real decider). And with upcoming cars like the Cruze and the Volt, together with advanced technologies being invested in....I don't see any reason to worry too much about a single car. Especially not one as exciting as the Camaro.