COLLEGE FOOTBALL 2011

[JUISSD]

The defense started out shaky but made great adjustments. They didn't give up any big plays and they mixed up their coverage and blitzes. ND won't be able to stop DR and company that's for sure. ND is gonna get whooped.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by PQ

Dude, I couldn't disagree more on the NFL part.

You ask where the loyalties lie and then answer your own question by throwing it at the owners feet. Free agency is a players product. And THAT's when the loyalties died. The lack of 'Player to Team and Team to Player' loyalties died when the players finaly were able to get the free agency going.

And dream all you want about when they "Played for the love of the game" because they can say that all they want, but if the player salaries of today were given to the players back then, it would be the same result as today. They loved the game back then, but they had no choice. As soon as they started to get paid bigger and bigger and free agency caught on more and more, the loyalties and 'Love of the game' died faster and faster. It wasnt' the owners who killed the loyalties, it was the players union.

I'm not surprised that there is a sentiment out there that vilifies the owners. People make it sound as if the owners are greedy and evil. I's not like it's an oil or utilities company where they sell a product that all of us HAVE to have. It's entertainment. If you don't like it, stop watching it. There is nothing wrong with the owners wanting to keep as much of their money as possible. so I disagree with you. I blame the players. NOT the owners.

jmo

On to the college part.

Much more simple to me. I'm a Sooners fan by default. I grew up in a small town in Oklahoma. Everyone in my town were Sooners fans. It's all I knew. I am not an alum and I don't care that I'm not. I went to a small college in Washington. I here some talk about being an alum like the non-alums are posers. LMAO, I bet the schools still accept that merchandise and ticket money from non-alums.

Side note real quick because that reminds me..... To anyone reading this. If you are an alum from a school and didn't PLAY on the team, yet inject it into a football conversation that you're an alum, that's kinda poser to me. Just sayin'.

So having said that, I really don't care about conference loyalties. Like I said earlier, the only reason I give a damn about the wins and losses out of conference is because I live in dillusional SEC land. Where people down here STILL complain that that the national media doesn't give them enough respect.

I'm all for having 4 huge conferences with 16 teams each. So if a little school greediness get's us to that, then I'm all for school greed. LOL But I also know that economicaly it would hurt a lot of schools and recognize the traditions. So I have no right answers for college sports. I would just DIE if my alma mater Green River College, stoped playing ............ wait...... no football team.

But you were mainly talking about money and schools/conference loyalty if I read correctly. Some schools have more money for the obvious reasons. The term 'Nice guys finish last' comes to mind. Let's face it, the ones with the money have the leverage. And they are going to leverage themselves as big of a seat at the eventual table as possible. College football is going to go to bigger conferences. What good does it do for the bigger money schools to stay with the smaller schools if the future is less money and a smaller 'Share' so to speak?

The Big 12 (the way it was) was only in existence for 15 years I think, but don't forget that the old Big 8 conference stayed intact as far as teams. The North division was 6 of them. The problem, in my mind, is that Nebraska just became pathetic and so did the rest to a fault. Had Oklahoma and Texas been split up, things may have turned out different. Sometimes you just have to know when to 'Cut Bait' so to speak. It's not OU and UTs fault that everyone in the north is so terrible but it's certainly the case. And when you go seemingly unchallenged you start to lose competative respect for the others.

So to kinda answer your college part of your post, I think the loyalties are gone for a reason. And I think some schools may have to look in the mirror and realize that they rode the gravy train too long without contributing.

I will say this though........ That they better be careful. Look at how pathetic the once mighty Notre Dame has become. Might leverage themselves right out of ... well... leverage.

I appreciate you responding with an appropriately long post.

I was really railing the owners in the first part. I just think that if you do the work, you should get paid for most of it. These days, there's so much money going around that owners and managers can collect the majority of the revenue while still delivering multi-million dollar contracts to players. I think that it's crazy on all sides. That's what I meant. Owners make too much. Players make too much. I don't know where I'd rather put the money, but there's too much money.

Notre Dame sucks in both causing the fall of the Big 12 and being way less than they used to be. They're the reason for this. When the Big 10 finally gave up on them, they decided to woo Nebraska. That was too easy. Colorado immediately bounced, although I have trouble understanding why anyone wanted Colorado. They're not very good. What we have left is a higher concentration of talent.

I agree with you that having 4 huge conferences with 16 teams each is great, but the problem is more logistic. Imagine you're still at school in Oklahoma and that I'm still at school in Kansas. Let's hypothetically both join the SEC. You might be making a short trip to Kentucky this weekend. I might be heading all the way to Alabama. Think about the fans. That sucks. One of the best parts of being a student at one of these schools is that the hardcore fans have the option of going to all the games. With 16-team conferences, that's not realistic for fans.

Maybe the expense of fan travel should come out of someone's massive advertising budget, but that's just me talking about how the love of the game and the love of the fans turned into the love of the money.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shawn18

You are right.......I was wrong......they have the last 5 National Title's. I am not biased at all. Hell I pull for Notre Dame........I know we suck and I dont bring up their 13 National Titles in my discussion. I am just saying what is true. Top to bottom the SEC is the best conference in college football. Argue all you want.............. OU is the best team in the Big......Whatever the hell they are now................That doesn't take away from the power of the SEC though. You are talking about a team....I am talking about a conference.

This is what mystifies me most about SEC fans - it's how they see the college football world. With the exception of Alabama, no other SEC team has had consistent success over the years. So the non-Alabama fans of the SEC put conference first, since they have little else to brag about year in and year out. Conferences appear, disappear and realign over time. The only reason to hide behind the veil of a conference is if your team isn't earning recognition on it's own.
When John Blake was coaching (if you can call it that) at OU during the 90's, and we went 12-22 (our worst stint in history), I wasn't chanting BIG12-BIG12-BIG12 because Nebraska was fielding some of the best teams in the history of the sport. Even then, as a boy, I still cheered for my Sooners every Saturday as we got embarrassed on the field, hoping our fate would turn.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by skar

ND lost on turn overs . That will not happen next week.
Michigan got 14 of ther points on turn overs.they still have a week defense.
I bet the spread is even or only a point or two.



Let's. Go blue !

While I agree their defense is work in progress, the progress they have made looks to be significant. What I was so happy about was the coaching staff made adjustments and they were really starting to work. The RichRod defense got worse with every game with NO signs of improvement. I think the jury is still out, but I think a foundation is being layed for some very nice
defensive play to come this season, but I am very aware there are going to be some growing pains.

GO BLUE!!!

[JUISSD]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

This is what mystifies me most about SEC fans - it's how they see the college football world. With the exception of Alabama, no other SEC team has had consistent success over the years. So the non-Alabama fans of the SEC put conference first, since they have little else to brag about year in and year out. Conferences appear, disappear and realign over time. The only reason to hide behind the veil of a conference is if your team isn't earning recognition on it's own.
When John Blake was coaching (if you can call it that) at OU during the 90's, and we went 12-22 (our worst stint in history), I wasn't chanting BIG12-BIG12-BIG12 because Nebraska was fielding some of the best teams in the history of the sport. Even then, as a boy, I still cheered for my Sooners every Saturday as we got embarrassed on the field, hoping our fate would turn.

Couldn't have said it better. Conference nutswingers really are lame.

[1badtie]

lego hogs WPS!!!

[PQ]

Originally Posted by kudzu74

WTF, is this aggie crap? S&P is gonna down-grade the SEC if that happens.

Wow. You seem to be worse than SEC fan. You're like one of those half vampires in the movies. You wanna be a vampire so bad you drink the Vampire coolaid.

Originally Posted by mastertypodemon

Obviously you meant the Big 10. Or Big 6 or whatever after everyone jumps ship to a real conference.

On a side note : GEAUX TIGERS!

The Big12 has been right there with the SEC since the inception of the BCS.

So what do you mean by real conference?

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I appreciate you responding with an appropriately long post.

I was really railing the owners in the first part. I just think that if you do the work, you should get paid for most of it. These days, there's so much money going around that owners and managers can collect the majority of the revenue while still delivering multi-million dollar contracts to players. I think that it's crazy on all sides. That's what I meant. Owners make too much. Players make too much. I don't know where I'd rather put the money, but there's too much money.

Notre Dame sucks in both causing the fall of the Big 12 and being way less than they used to be. They're the reason for this. When the Big 10 finally gave up on them, they decided to woo Nebraska. That was too easy. Colorado immediately bounced, although I have trouble understanding why anyone wanted Colorado. They're not very good. What we have left is a higher concentration of talent.

I agree with you that having 4 huge conferences with 16 teams each is great, but the problem is more logistic. Imagine you're still at school in Oklahoma and that I'm still at school in Kansas. Let's hypothetically both join the SEC. You might be making a short trip to Kentucky this weekend. I might be heading all the way to Alabama. Think about the fans. That sucks. One of the best parts of being a student at one of these schools is that the hardcore fans have the option of going to all the games. With 16-team conferences, that's not realistic for fans.

Maybe the expense of fan travel should come out of someone's massive advertising budget, but that's just me talking about how the love of the game and the love of the fans turned into the love of the money.

It's true. So much money floating around the NFL it's not even funny. But they market the product well. I guess I'm just one of those hard headed 'R' guys. If they can make it for their great great great great grandchildren, they should be able to do it. If I were an owner, I would do it differently than the seeming greed that they have. But while they are still profitable now, we don't know how profitable all of them are. There are some teams who arent' as rich as others. hence the need for the CBA. My thing is if the league were to start losing money and failing somehow, it would be the owners who lost everything. The players wouldn't lose anything not already reconciled.

But, this is a college thread I took your example and ran with it.

You are right about the superconferences. College sports should be about the students.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist guy. Never have been, never will. BUT, I think that the only reason the NFL still is superior over college football for popularity and revenue is because college has no playoffs.

Yes, SEC fan, the NFL is actually superior to college football in those terms.

If college football went to the big conferences AND a playoff, it would possibley knock the NFL off of the cat-bird seat. Now that's a huge maybe, but it would grow the game a ton. My dad has always and will always refer to the NFL as REAL football and college as college football. He has not watched a college game in my lifetime. And won't untill they get a playoff. He always hated how they'd just vote Notre Dame or whoever it was to be champs and they never got to play it on the feild with the teams in question. He even admits he'll watch Oklahoma IF they eer get a playoff system.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

This is what mystifies me most about SEC fans - it's how they see the college football world. With the exception of Alabama, no other SEC team has had consistent success over the years. So the non-Alabama fans of the SEC put conference first, since they have little else to brag about year in and year out. Conferences appear, disappear and realign over time. The only reason to hide behind the veil of a conference is if your team isn't earning recognition on it's own.
When John Blake was coaching (if you can call it that) at OU during the 90's, and we went 12-22 (our worst stint in history), I wasn't chanting BIG12-BIG12-BIG12 because Nebraska was fielding some of the best teams in the history of the sport. Even then, as a boy, I still cheered for my Sooners every Saturday as we got embarrassed on the field, hoping our fate would turn.

It's always comical when I hear SEC fan bitch about the BCS. HELLOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a GAUNTLET......... Don't you know?

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by PQ

Wow. You seem to be worse than SEC fan. You're like one of those half vampires in the movies. You wanna be a vampire so bad you drink the Vampire coolaid.

The Big12 has been right there with the SEC since the inception of the BCS.

So what do you mean by real conference?


It's true. So much money floating around the NFL it's not even funny. But they market the product well. I guess I'm just one of those hard headed 'R' guys. If they can make it for their great great great great grandchildren, they should be able to do it. If I were an owner, I would do it differently than the seeming greed that they have. But while they are still profitable now, we don't know how profitable all of them are. There are some teams who arent' as rich as others. hence the need for the CBA. My thing is if the league were to start losing money and failing somehow, it would be the owners who lost everything. The players wouldn't lose anything not already reconciled.

But, this is a college thread I took your example and ran with it.

You are right about the superconferences. College sports should be about the students.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist guy. Never have been, never will. BUT, I think that the only reason the NFL still is superior over college football for popularity and revenue is because college has no playoffs.

Yes, SEC fan, the NFL is actually superior to college football in those terms.

If college football went to the big conferences AND a playoff, it would possibley knock the NFL off of the cat-bird seat. Now that's a huge maybe, but it would grow the game a ton. My dad has always and will always refer to the NFL as REAL football and college as college football. He has not watched a college game in my lifetime. And won't untill they get a playoff. He always hated how they'd just vote Notre Dame or whoever it was to be champs and they never got to play it on the feild with the teams in question. He even admits he'll watch Oklahoma IF they eer get a playoff system.

It's always comical when I hear SEC fan bitch about the BCS. HELLOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a GAUNTLET......... Don't you know?

I think you're on to something. A playoff could really change things. He should really give Kanas a chance, though. Oklahoma's cool and all, but it's all about those Jayhawks.

I also am a little sick of the SEC guys playing the victim. They do very well as a conference. I don't get the problem.

On the basketball side, I'm a little sick of the sports establishment sucking up to the ACC. Who's idea was it to throw 11 ACC teams into the tournament?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I think you're on to something. A playoff could really change things. He should really give Kanas a chance, though. Oklahoma's cool and all, but it's all about those Jayhawks.

I also am a little sick of the SEC guys playing the victim. They do very well as a conference. I don't get the problem.

On the basketball side, I'm a little sick of the sports establishment sucking up to the ACC. Who's idea was it to throw 11 ACC teams into the tournament?

It's the politics of college athletics. hahahaha

Even in the football world. Coaches have to campaign for there ranking sometimes.

[MEDISIN]

BCS = Beauty Contest Selections

I support a playoff in Div 1, similar to Div 2 (FBS subdivision or whatever the term is now). Not only would you get to see some crazy matchups at the end of the year, I feel everyone would be convinced the real champion was crowned.

Also takes some of the heat off the regular season, allowing schools to take on more challenging teams and not stack the schedule with cupcakes. If you only had to finish in the top 8 vs the top 2, you might take a little more risk in the schedule.

[Camaro_krazee]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

BCS = Beauty Contest Selections

I support a playoff in Div 1, similar to Div 2 (FBS subdivision or whatever the term is now). Not only would you get to see some crazy matchups at the end of the year, I feel everyone would be convinced the real champion was crowned.

Also takes some of the heat off the regular season, allowing schools to take on more challenging teams and not stack the schedule with cupcakes. If you only had to finish in the top 8 vs the top 2, you might take a little more risk in the schedule.

exactly!

[Ladybugsmom]

Maryland just took the title from the Oregon Ducks for worst uniforms ever.....

[IOM Black Diamond]

Originally Posted by Ladybugsmom

Maryland just took the title from the Oregon Ducks for worst uniforms ever.....

Hey what's up with that? What is wrong with our uniforms?

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by DirtNMyTeeth

Hey what's up with that? What is wrong with our uniforms?

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