New low for Law Enforcement Harassment: Ticketed while pumping gas.

[bob vogel]

Originally Posted by jamie

I call BS. Dude got caught driving and now can't live with the consequences... Who the hell bails when a cop car pulls up? Guaranteed guilt there. Sorry buddy just can not believe this one. I'm not a big fan of police giving people a hard time (Which we know does happen occasionally), but most officers do their job. You may win in court, but I doubt it. Unless you can bring your phantom friend who bailed on you, I think you may be screwed...
If you are telling the truth here, then sorry, but I think you will find that most folks here on Camaro 5 are law abiding citizens and would also probably call BS on this one.

just about says it all

[Milk 1027]

What kind of "friend" simply bails when he sees a cop. I can only think of one reason for that. Ever heard the phrase "guilty conscience"?

[wise]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

Answers to your questions as best as I can clarify

1.Yes. (no worries w/the self- incrimination) I didn't know though that license suspension meant "stay away from cars PERIOD. Don't even take gas nozzles out of em." because that is all the officer saw me do. He was finishing his first stop and leaving when I walked to my car, and put the nozzle back on the pump. This is when he approached- In Miami you drink/buy coffee leaning by the window. So he'd spotted me before I went near my vehicle. I returned to store on foot crossing in front of his bumper to get a Zephyrhills- he had circled around and started typing already. He turned his lights on behind a closed keyless driverless vehicle.

2.I am certain the officer didn't see me driving. *I WASN'T DRIVING!* He didnt look at the car & had his back turned. He had a different young black man stopped at a different pump out of eyeshot on the west face of the building When I arrived (Northface). I am sure this commanded all of his attention. If Elvis was driving he wouldn't be able to tell you cause all he'd see is my 3 percent tint. Besides I'm not making cases against people here... So he needs to swear he saw me driving under oath. I don't have to prove anything. I can plea the 5th if I like and

3: Former tag was on car. It wasn't expired either. Valid one was in the trunk awaiting me to get around to it with a screwdriver. No more no less.

Okay, you were'nt driving. Regardless, you are the only individual approaching the vehicle as the officer is running the tags. Your friend is nowhere to be found and you are the only one with the car that belongs to you. I'm not trying to flame you, just trying to help you see it from the officers point of view and to think about it a little before it goes to court.

Lol, Brantley.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

Answers to your questions as best as I can clarify

2.I am certain the officer didn't see me driving. *I WASN'T DRIVING!* He didnt look at the car & had his back turned. He had a different young black man stopped at a different pump out of eyeshot on the west face of the building When I arrived (Northface). I am sure this commanded all of his attention. If Elvis was driving he wouldn't be able to tell you cause all he'd see is my 3 percent tint. Besides I'm not making cases against people here... So he needs to swear he saw me driving under oath. I don't have to prove anything. I can plea the 5th if I like and

3: Former tag was on car. It wasn't expired either. Valid one was in the trunk awaiting me to get around to it with a screwdriver. No more no less.

3) is a quick response so we will knock that out first....Former tag or not, if it was no longer assigned and you have received your new tag... it is criminal. There is the only probable cause needed. Or the 3% tint you mentioned...

back to 2) As I stated in my next response after I saw you weren't driving... still regardless if he saw you before. You can say he didn't see the vehicle in motion, but none of us know.

Your views on due process are comical as well... the burden of proof is on the state, yes. However, if he can establish any form of physical control that you may have had (which means you standing outside a vehicle with access to drive...keys in the ignition or other totality of circumstances) then he has articulated enough for a conviction in Florida. However, based on your statement of "I will plea 5th", it would be foolish for me to go any further with this discussion. It is clear you live your life with your self created target on your back... a target no one places but yourself. Illegal tags, suspended license, and illegal tint. That is your target, that is why your car gathered the attention it did...you are not driving a Ferrari. Regardless of everything you have said, there is still far too much evidence and information missing for us to cry foul to either side.

I hope you go elect a court appearance, only to "plea the 5th".... that would be fantastic.

[REDXIIIDave]

If your friend left, how were you going to get yourself and the car home?

[Transfusion]

Hey are you fasteddie haiku, the haiku writin mutha?
you shoulda writ him a haiku

[FastEddie]

You're right @Brantley. I could've helped myself out. I exacerbated things.(Tag, tint) GRANTED. I feel like these things could be "cool cop" stories if it were some1 else though-- but the world doesn't owe me anything. A fair shot would be Nice. With the occasional break thrown in. Re: Pleaing" the 5th" I'm not electing $#!+.... , this is a criminal matter and I have to answer to this IN COURT. Officer shouldn't be so willing to f__k up a polite pedestrians record w/o proof or any real need.

Officer could have cited me for a number of things. But he was nice enough to write me up for the ONE thing he can't equivocate. So in a way lucky me!

+1 to those who tried to get me to contradict myself -that was cute.

Ok two truths and a lie time:

I will beat this case and post.

Profiling is something I made up cuz i h8 rulez . I need to grab Mah bootstraps and stop wearing targits.

Running tags on cars at gas pumps however legal is S.O.P. for the wackest of officers.

[skip_168]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

This afternoon I was getting gas and coffee at my neighborhood gas station. While I am drinking coffee and the gas pumped An officer drives behind my car rolls down his window & begins to run the tag while it is at the pump I am nowhere near the car and haven't been for minutes at this point. I walk over and close the pump. The officer turns on his lights calls me over and asks if this was my car. My answer was "Yessir"- he then asks for my license. I tell him "Here you go but why do you need to see it, I wasnt driving" "-Sorry about the plate-I continued "forgot to switch it- it's right here in the trunk" (New tag was for when I redid my registration to take EddieSr. off of it, so- same name anyway) Long story short. The officer wrote me a ticket for Driving w/ a susp. License. He had me dead to rights on the tag even switched it to comply right there in front of him- but the driving?! *A friend drove me to the pump and didn't return when he saw the officer (then K9 backup)*... I am so glad that if my car is ever stolen the police will discover it before you can call "Onstar". Or say the word "profiling" even. Watch your back Camaro brethren! There are cops out here who have a hard-on for these cars (And maybe certain drivers of said cars). I am convinced of this now. Needles to say I am going to fight this in court. Wish me luck!




*My story and I'm sticking to it.*

and my first post on this forum:

you were being stupid and the cop got ya, follow these simple instructions to fix this:

1. Pay your ticket and shut up.

2. Pay all of your Court fees & fines, apologize to the Court for beng an idiot.

3. Don't drive on a suspended license. It was probably suspended cause you drive like an idiot, or even worse, you didn't do what the Court told you to do or pay your fees & costs, because you, in your brilliance, decided to fight a $125 dollar ticket, and allow the courts to up your fine up to $500 including court costs.

4. When you get your license back, don't drive like an idiot, or you might get a ticket.

5. if you do get a ticket, refer to #1.

6. Oh, get new friends.

[REDXIIIDave]

You should also be aware that in many states (don't know about Fla), driving with a suspended or revoked license can be a worse offense than whatever it was that got it suspended in the first place. Plus, they will probably add time to the suspension.

[camaroracing2834]

Originally Posted by brantley847

HELLO FRIENDS!!!! I was on vacation out of country for a few weeks, but dammit I am back!!....

Sorry, can't side with either party in this story because there isn't enough information..that is right, I cannot even side with the cop because there are far too many holes. So fill me in, fellow Camaro owner...

1) Did you know your license was suspended? If so, disregard the rest of my questions...

2) How do you KNOW he didn't see you driving before you pulled into the pump further down the road?...better yet...see the vehicle in motion PERIOD! If so... there is your probable cause. You had to get there at one point...right? Can you swear in a court of law no cops saw you driving... no red light cameras observed your vehicle tag and registration? With all due respect, The answer to that is no.... unless your friend was driving this camaro?...and then he bailed on you?! Get new friends...

3) The biggest question is (and there is a lot of information lacking from the tag deal...) was it the old tag, just expired or did you knowingly put a separate tag on the vehicle? If it was the old tag just expired by a few days, I would say ok..be on your way. If not, the violation is criminal.

Lastly.... From what I gather from this story... is he already STOPPED behind your vehicle and began initiating a stop and running your plate before he ever saw you come out of the store...based on this statement.

"I am no where near the vehicle and haven't been for minutes at this point." and then "the word "profiling" even.........There are cops out here who have a hard-on for these cars (And maybe certain drivers of said cars)."

So with that statement... what does race, sex, or vehicle have to do with anything if YOU were no where near it?




No sir, you are completely sober...

"Elementary, my dear Watson. Elementary!.

[FastEddie]

I dont like your tone but ,Pretty good advice "Skip". I plan on working it out.
If you gave me this advice in person though, I doubt you'd say it quite the same way...

[camaroracing2834]

Originally Posted by REDXIIIDave

You should also be aware that in many states (don't know about Fla), driving with a suspended or revoked license can be a worse offense than whatever it was that got it suspended in the first place. Plus, they will probably add time to the suspension.

yep Florida is same way!

[DarkneSS]

My brain hurts so much because he wont tell us whether his "friend" was driving and where he went when this cop showed up.

Sounds like you were driving and got caught man....

[midnighter]

Well good luck to you FastEddie. I hope you get things worked out and squared away.