Urine test and well fare - Page 2

FenwickHockey65 · 03-13-2009, 05:50 PM

Agreed.

When a mom on welfare can't pay $5 for her son to see a doctor but is able to afford the calling plan for her brand new cell phone as well as make payments on her brand new Escalade, you know there's a problem.

Grape Ape · 03-13-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skipj3

just abolish welfare all together...JMO

I couldn't agree more.

Or at least offer a reward for turning in welfare cheats.

bcannan354 · 03-13-2009, 08:35 PM

I AGREE 100% on this.

If we all agree, why the heck don't they start doing it? The money saved would pay for all of the drug test.

69 Hugger · 03-13-2009, 08:56 PM

Never thought about it like that, But your 100 % right, now I'm

Sterling · 03-13-2009, 09:07 PM

I disagree... there should be fewer laws, not more.
They should do away with welfare and let the Church's take over... it's shouldn't be the government's responsibility.

Mr Twisty · 03-13-2009, 11:14 PM

I prefer..."You don't work, you don't eat."

CynAgain · 03-13-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Banshee

Being a cop in Detroit, I see this shit every day...Kid was wearing a $900 jacket, according to my partner who is up on the fashions of the street. He was buying crap at a party store with a "Bridge Card" (MI equivalent to welfare).

Pulled a woman over a few weeks ago for speeding..46/25 school zone. Pulls out her registration..her Bridge (welfare) card stuck to back..Both in her name..What was she driving? A 2006 Land Rover.

WTF!

You are a cop in Detroit? May God bless you and keep you safe!

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Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

I prefer..."You don't work, you don't eat."

I almost agreed and then I thought of my Mom. She wants to work. Shes worked on and off for the last several years. She looks for work everywhere. But she works in the auto industry and now she's laid off again. :(

She's not on welfare, but I worry about things around this state. It's not good.

Mr Twisty · 03-13-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CynAgain

You are a cop in Detroit? May God bless you and keep you safe!

I almost agreed and then I thought of my Mom. She wants to work. Shes worked on and off for the last several years. She looks for work everywhere. But she works in the auto industry and now she's laid off again. :(

She's not on welfare, but I worry about things around this state. It's not good.

There are always exceptions to every rule...Widows, elderly, children, disabled deserve a break. Lots of folks that want to work are in a bind right now also, thing is to find the deadbeats and get them out of the system.

Conflict · 03-14-2009, 01:38 AM

+1 I'd vote for it

*Milk 1027* · 03-14-2009, 01:49 AM

well, I agree but urine tests aren't free either. and definatley not cheap. So how much money would we really be saving?

SScattergunSS · 03-14-2009, 02:33 AM

There is too much common sense and logic in your idea! No politician or other government official would ever sign off on it.

manimsoblack · 03-14-2009, 03:11 AM

http://www.ohsinc.com/DRUG_TESTING_C...TEST_COST2.htm

States that the average urine test is $44 and can detect most drugs only 1-4 days after use with the exception of pot and sometimes pcp. While a hair test is about $115-150 But is effective for up to 90 days. So if we could find out the average monthly welfare compensation received multiply it by 2 or 3 and subtract $135 we'd see how much savings we'd get. Since you only have to do a hair test every 2 or 3 months I think it would be the best choice for these purposes. Also they would only be able to take one test every 2-3 months since that's how long it would take them to be able to pass it and if you fail more than a certain number of times (3....4?) you are ineligible for certain period. Like 1 yr, 2yrs, 5 yrs. I think that will either force people to stop doing the drugs or to stop applying for welfare. If it saves money and lives, I think it's a good idea.

dbotsfordtat · 03-14-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

There are always exceptions to every rule...Widows, elderly, children, disabled deserve a break. Lots of folks that want to work are in a bind right now also, thing is to find the deadbeats and get them out of the system.

+1, If they take away the incentives for having kids they might be able to break this cycle. I would propose reducing the size of welfare checks as recipients have more children. I know I'll get flamed for this by some but imagine being raised in this environment, drug addicts don't make good parents, but its not the kids fault and many will end up with the same problems because of this piss poor childhood. In fact if I were in charge, I would increase welfare checks $100.00 a month yearly for each year a recipient didn't get pregnant and reduce $200.00 a month if they did. IMO we'd have welfare under control within a generation. And we need to bring manufacturing jobs back to this country. Government jobs do not contribute to GDP and thats about the only sector of our economy that has been growing for the past several decades. When people come off welfare they need jobs. Nobody should have to work three Walmart type jobs to make a living and still not have healthcare. IMO welfare is a consequence of human greed at all levels of society, not just the impoverished. No offense but its easy to point fingers if you haven't spent some time in anothers shoes, solutions tend to be more difficult.

maninbrown · 03-14-2009, 10:11 AM

Lets take it a step further and say that if you are on well fare and you have more children; no wait, sex because treating there STDs costs us money too along with there worthless children then they should be expelled from the USA along with all familys that have retards because our taxes are paying for that small percent of people to be accommodated. And lets face it they have bad genetics.

03-13-2009, 05:50 PM	#15
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03-13-2009, 11:14 PM	#20
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03-14-2009, 01:38 AM	#23
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03-14-2009, 01:49 AM	#24
Milk 1027 Camaro➎ moderator Drives: '13 BLK 1LE Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 13,567 View My Garage	well, I agree but urine tests aren't free either. and definatley not cheap. So how much money would we really be saving? __________________

03-14-2009, 02:33 AM	#25
SScattergunSS ~ Love or Lust ~ Drives: R6P 1SS/RS BLK/L99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: With My CynAgain Posts: 25,198	There is too much common sense and logic in your idea! No politician or other government official would ever sign off on it. __________________ ~ Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto, "In God is our trust." And the Star Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave ~ Francis Scott Key ~

03-13-2009, 08:35 PM	#17
bcannan354 Drives: 1968 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Naples,Florida Posts: 184	I AGREE 100% on this. If we all agree, why the heck don't they start doing it? The money saved would pay for all of the drug test.

03-13-2009, 08:56 PM	#18
69 Hugger Drives: 69 Convertible Camaro Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sumit Point, WV Posts: 941 View My Garage	Never thought about it like that, But your 100 % right, now I'm

03-13-2009, 09:07 PM	#19
Sterling Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fairhaven, MA Posts: 5,882 View My Garage	I disagree... there should be fewer laws, not more. They should do away with welfare and let the Church's take over... it's shouldn't be the government's responsibility.

03-14-2009, 10:11 AM	#28
maninbrown Drives: Monte Carlo SS 02 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Dakota Posts: 55	Lets take it a step further and say that if you are on well fare and you have more children; no wait, sex because treating there STDs costs us money too along with there worthless children then they should be expelled from the USA along with all familys that have retards because our taxes are paying for that small percent of people to be accommodated. And lets face it they have bad genetics.