American or Foriegn?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I don't know what the OP is asking.. Like I said.. The very explanations and statements used are incorrect.

Camaro isn't a USA made car
Honda isn't a non-USA made set of cars

The examples are self contradictory, so there's nothing from which to really talk about other than what's being explained above.

It would be like saying, I hate listening to Foreign music like Country/Western

the OP didn't ask about USA made cars. You can stop arguing just to argue now.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by nancygrl

Well the line is very blurred in regards to American made vs. foreign made. There are many foreign brands that are made here in the USA, and many American brands that are made all over. Our Camaro is made in Canada, my previous Chevy Avalanche was made in Mexico. I think Silverado's are made here in the US and elsewhere. And many parts that are used in all vehicles are outsourced from all over as well. Heck, I saw where the was a Chevy (one of the small ones, Aveo I think) that only had like 5-10% of US made parts, go figure. So to answer the OP's question, I say I buy vehicles that are American Brands.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

It's not BS. The terminology being used doesn't make sense anymore... Domestic/Import, American/Foreign. Almost all cars have parts from other countries in them. Anyone that owns a Camaro owns an Import. Same with anyone owning a GTO.

Certain Honda cars are Domestic..

So, the argument itself is meaningless and it usually leads in to things like "Support US workers" -- which is also meaningless because while the Camaro is assembled and built by Canadians, GM/Chevy employ all manner of US workers -- So, we boycott a brand or a model? -- Same with Honda.. Let's not buy from an evil Foreign car maker and support US -- So, don't buy Honda, even though they employ a great many people in the states.

If this one doesn't go that way, I'd be surprised.. but, most of the "What type do you buy" threads go in to the debate of support local workers and just devolve in to flames.

Plus the statement in the OP's message is conflicting.. I don't buy Foreign (listing Honda) -- Well, that's domestically made... But, I buy American like Chevy/Dodge ... well, some of those are made out of Country..

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

It's not that simple..

Yes, buying "American" you can be supporting American -- but, what about American companies that outsource almost all of their manufacturing, call centers, etc overseas because it's cheap labor and then only employ minimally here? You could very well be better off supporting a Foreign brand that employs all manner of Americans here.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I don't know what the OP is asking.. Like I said.. The very explanations and statements used are incorrect.

Camaro isn't a USA made car
Honda isn't a non-USA made set of cars

The examples are self contradictory, so there's nothing from which to really talk about other than what's being explained above.

It would be like saying, I hate listening to Foreign music like Country/Western

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Um.. There are plenty Honda's made here in the USA by Americans, supporting American Economny, providing jobs, etc.

How does the music reference not make sense? It's exactly the same thing, in terms of music Genre, that the OP stated about cars.

So.. something being designed in a certain country is what makes it that country's?
Well, I guess you can make BBQ Foreign food, because we didn't design it.

This is exactly correct OP. There really are no American cars/Domestic cars. There are American Brands and Foreign Brands but many so-called Foreign Brands like Honda are made more in the USA than many American Brand cars.

I totally agree with nancygrl and humanwiki.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

the OP didn't ask about USA made cars. You can stop arguing just to argue now.

If you look up. The point just left a con-trail over your head. I'm not arguing to argue. I'm correcting a logical fallacy in the OPs post.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Um.. There are plenty Honda's made here in the USA by Americans, supporting American Economny, providing jobs, etc.

How does the music reference not make sense? It's exactly the same thing, in terms of music Genre, that the OP stated about cars.

So.. something being designed in a certain country is what makes it that country's?
Well, I guess you can make BBQ Foreign food, because we didn't design it.

Holy Effing Shit!! I didn't say that some Honda's weren't manufactured here.. That has ZERO relevance on the import/domestic

Country/Western is purely United states... so there's nothing to be confused about...???

Now your just being a moron for who know's why... I'm done wasting time here.





Sorry to jack your thread OP but you have my answer...

[KEEP RT]

Originally Posted by nancygrl

Well the line is very blurred in regards to American made vs. foreign made. There are many foreign brands that are made here in the USA, and many American brands that are made all over. Our Camaro is made in Canada, my previous Chevy Avalanche was made in Mexico. I think Silverado's are made here in the US and elsewhere. And many parts that are used in all vehicles are outsourced from all over as well. Heck, I saw where the was a Chevy (one of the small ones, Aveo I think) that only had like 5-10% of US made parts, go figure. So to answer the OP's question, I say I buy vehicles that are American Brands.

the word right out of my mouth. +1

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

Holy Effing Shit!! I didn't say that some Honda's weren't manufactured here.. That has ZERO relevance on the import/domestic

Country/Western is purely United states... so there's nothing to be confused about...???

Now your just being a moron for who know's why... I'm done wasting time here.

Sorry to jack your thread OP but you have my answer...

Um... "Country music" originates from an idea from another country.. We just made it here... So, yes, same thing... Maybe you should look up a little more on the topics at hand before making ignorant statements. Your lack of basic comprehension astounds me.

[Ron66Vette&10SS]

Not only have I ONLY owned American since I began driving (28 years ago ), but I have ONLY owned GM vehicles: 2 Oldsmobiles, 2 pontiacs and 10 .

[bthomp01]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I don't know what the OP is asking.. Like I said.. The very explanations and statements used are incorrect.

Camaro isn't a USA made car
Honda isn't a non-USA made car

The examples are self contradictory, so there's nothing from which to really talk about other than what's being explained above.

It would be like saying, I hate listening to Foreign music like Country/Western

Can we drop this tired and ridiculous argument?

The Camaro is an American vehicle. No, it wasn't assembled in the USA, but it sure as hell spent the first four or five years of it's life going through design, engineering and logistics in the USA.

What, do you think an auto manufacturer has an idea for a vehicle and the assembly plant, regardless of where it is, magically appears with the lines to build it? Like there wasn't a half a decade of planning that goes into making that a reality, and the reality is that five years of work comes from the artists, designers, engineers and executives at GM.

The cost of a car is determined by a great many factors and it would be absolutely impossible to nail down how much the labor for assembly of one vehicle is or how much the raw materials for one vehicle is. But you can be assured that after five years of development that the major portion of the cost of the vehicle goes into recouping those expenses until profit is made. Profit which, by the way, certainly does go back into the US economy. Are all of the engineers, artists, and designers in the USA? Probably not, but I know a great many of them are still in Detroit. Those are the people responsible for "American" vehicles, not the line workers assembling it, or the overseas parts manufacturers. The parts manufacturers wouldn't be supplying the line workers with parts who wouldn't be building these cars without all of the work up front.

Not a dig on them as they are definitely necessary to the process, but they certainly didn't design the car.

This really struck me when I showed my Dad, who worked for GM for 38 years, the video of Top Gear reviewing the Corvette ZR1. Jeremy was absolutely beside himself at the end of the episode and he remarked as he was flying around some corner, "Well done, fat man in Kentucky!"... and my Dad said, "No, well done Detroit". It really doesn't make a difference who put it together, it makes a difference how that person is told to put it together, and that's what makes this or any other GM vehicle American.

EDIT: And to answer the question, you can probably guess that I've only ever owned and only ever will own GM vehicles.

[Sidd218]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

The reference to music isn't even relevant and doesn't make sense..

The CAMARO is an AMERICAN car designed in AMERICA..
The HONDA is a JAPANESE car designed in JAPAN and is therefore an IMPORT...

all of this shit aside, honda's toyota's etc will always be considered POS imports.

I didn't want a war on this thread... It was a simple Question, yes I should have rephrased it, but none the less GM is an American Company, unlike Toyota, Honda, ect. Buying American made doesn't make you a war veteran for your country but your putting the money back with us instead of Japan..

Everyone has different opinions and I Agree with ^^

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Sidd218

I didn't want a war on this thread... It was a simple Question, yes I should have rephrased it, but none the less GM is an American Company, unlike Toyota, Honda, ect. Buying American made doesn't make you a war veteran for your country but your putting the money back with us instead of Japan..

Everyone has different opinions and I Agree with ^^

These threads on this topic almost always go here.. On this board and others before it.. For the exact reasons that are being flung about.. The very question you asked is not one that is able to be factually answered because the topic is highly disputed.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Um... "Country music" originates from an idea from another country.. We just made it here... So, yes, same thing... Maybe you should look up a little more on the topics at hand before making ignorant statements. Your lack of basic comprehension astounds me.

An idea? WTF are you talking about. Country music in the form "country/western" that your refer to is ONLY in the United States. And that still has no correlation to a foreign auto maker marketing it's products here and you saying that the brand is not an import... I am making factual statements, you are stating your own opinion. Tis not I that is failing to comprehend the conundrum you are in.

[Ironheadspearo]

I find this a funny topic because most cars these days are of the global market and most of the parts are made in other countries. the camaro is built in canada and has a large percentage of mexican parts. I like to try to say I support american car companies but they have outsourced alot of their own product. if you buy a honda or nissan the parts may be made in japan but the car could be assembled right here in good old usa.
personally i have owned
honda
volkswagen
chevy
ford
dodge
nissan
mazda

I pretty much buy what appeals to me and seems to be the best bang for my buck.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by Sidd218

I didn't want a war on this thread... It was a simple Question, yes I should have rephrased it, but none the less GM is an American Company, unlike Toyota, Honda, ect. Buying American made doesn't make you a war veteran for your country but your putting the money back with us instead of Japan..

Everyone has different opinions and I Agree with ^^

Sorry man, Didn't mean to Jack your thread with this other endless ranting.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Ironheadspearo

I find this a funny topic because most cars these days are of the global market and most of the parts are made in other countries. the camaro is built in canada and has a large percentage of mexican parts. I like to try to say I support american car companies but they have outsourced alot of their own product. if you buy a honda or nissan the parts may be made in japan but the car could be assembled right here in good old usa.
personally i have owned
honda
volkswagen
chevy
ford
dodge
nissan
mazda

I pretty much buy what appeals to me and seems to be the best bang for my buck.

camaro is still an american car...