PWA "The Lounge" PART 2

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by anthonyj9h

and gm has never come up with those right? im not bashing anyone every car company has its up and downs to say one company is better than the other isnt up to the company at all but the consumers

Indeed, they have, the EV1. There's a reason that program was canceled, despite the stupidity you might read regarding conspiracy theories between GM and oil companies.

The problem here is that Nissan didn't improve on the EV1. GM saw the shortcomings of a regular EV and that's why the Volt has a range extender. The Leaf gives you maybe 70 miles of range on a good day, the Volt gives you infinite range no matter what weather and road conditions you're driving through as long as you can find a gas station, just like every other car.

Basically Nissan hasn't been doing their homework, and consumers are quickly finding out what a shoddy job they did. If you're going to tout a car as a game-changer as Nissan has with the Leaf, then you better be damn well sure that the car performs up to spec, and the Leaf simply doesn't. It's a half-assed and impractical car rushed to production in an effort to beat the Volt to market. Nissan engineers themselves have said that they really needed more time to get the car right, but corporate refused to give them extra time. Now Nissan is feeling the effects as more and more news articles go online regarding highly inaccurate range calculations and stranded owners.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by sugar'n'spice

No, I mean't me.

Um, you do realize we are friends on fb don't you?

yup sure do.

are you friends with Greg Norris?

[anthonyj9h]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Indeed, they have, the EV1. There's a reason that program was canceled, despite the stupidity you might read regarding conspiracy theories between GM and oil companies.

The problem here is that Nissan didn't improve on the EV1. GM saw the shortcomings of a regular EV and that's why the Volt has a range extender. The Leaf gives you maybe 70 miles of range on a good day, the Volt gives you infinite range no matter what weather and road conditions you're driving through as long as you can find a gas station, just like every other car.

Basically Nissan hasn't been doing their homework, and consumers are quickly finding out what a shoddy job they did. If you're going to tout a car as a game-changer as Nissan has with the Leaf, then you better be damn well sure that the car performs up to spec, and the Leaf simply doesn't. It's a half-assed and impractical car rushed to production in an effort to beat the Volt to market. Nissan engineers themselves have said that they really needed more time to get the car right, but corporate refused to give them extra time. Now Nissan is feeling the effects as more and more news articles go online regarding highly inaccurate range calculations and stranded owners.

honestly what started this thing is the whole scare about us "running" out of oil and the wars over in the middle east. i dont think right now that we have a greater substitute for the energy that oil does provide. you can throw over a ton of batteries in it and its still going to run out and not be as efficient. im sorry but getting to 60 mph in 10 seconds is not improving anything and with mergering in highways and traffic already at speed and you are mashing this hybrid motor as hard as it will allow is going to cause servere problems. this alternative engery source wont do. why would we step down and use something less efficient when the whole idea is to come up with something "better" not just a substitute. just my two sense we can do better

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by anthonyj9h

im sorry but getting to 60 mph in 10 seconds is not improving anything and with mergering in highways and traffic already at speed and you are mashing this hybrid motor as hard as it will allow is going to cause servere problems.

Would you be more comfortable with taking a Malibu 2.4L from 0-60?

Because the Volt has the same 0-60 time. Depending on the driver, sometimes even faster.

You can do a lot with instant peak torque on launch.

As for alternative energy sources, what would you propose? Ethanol? A lot of problems with that by itself. Hydrogen? Too unstable, and lacks a widespread infrastructure. Electricity is the only widely available alternative energy source other than gasoline right now. It's not perfect, but it will have to do for now.

[AZCamaroFan]

Well at least we have an energy plan now....oh wait.

[anthonyj9h]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Would you be more comfortable with taking a Malibu 2.4L from 0-60?

Because the Volt has the same 0-60 time. Depending on the driver, sometimes even faster.

You can do a lot with instant peak torque on launch.

As for alternative energy sources, what would you propose? Ethanol? A lot of problems with that by itself. Hydrogen? Too unstable, and lacks a widespread infrastructure. Electricity is the only widely available alternative energy source other than gasoline right now. It's not perfect, but it will have to do for now.

thats what im saying if you missed my point the reason these companies are failing is because we are using "only alternetive" its a great theory but people made a big mistake when they started it in production, its to early.
instant torque is great for city driving going from 0-30 not 0-60 based on the weight of the car the engine has to work double almost. honestly engines today are great what we need to do is looking taking that power and actually muiltiplying through the driveline....(my idea) lol why does the ls7 505 hp make 28 mph on highway? duh the corvette weighs 3100 pounds it doesnt take a 500hp engine to move it that far, but its fun lol. weight reduction would have alot of improvment in affecting gas miliage alone. the man who in invented the engine was a genious,"lets use rotation to counteract the rotation of the earth using its mass" simple right? problem with mass its hard to move. lol all im saying is we need to keep researching and improving not downgrading and just accepting the fact that this is how it has to be. yes yes i know lots of spelling errors lol

[PoorMansCamaro]

Hai guyth!

[anthonyj9h]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Hai guyth!

hrewwo

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Indeed, they have, the EV1. There's a reason that program was canceled, despite the stupidity you might read regarding conspiracy theories between GM and oil companies.

The problem here is that Nissan didn't improve on the EV1. GM saw the shortcomings of a regular EV and that's why the Volt has a range extender. The Leaf gives you maybe 70 miles of range on a good day, the Volt gives you infinite range no matter what weather and road conditions you're driving through as long as you can find a gas station, just like every other car.Basically Nissan hasn't been doing their homework, and consumers are quickly finding out what a shoddy job they did. If you're going to tout a car as a game-changer as Nissan has with the Leaf, then you better be damn well sure that the car performs up to spec, and the Leaf simply doesn't. It's a half-assed and impractical car rushed to production in an effort to beat the Volt to market. Nissan engineers themselves have said that they really needed more time to get the car right, but corporate refused to give them extra time. Now Nissan is feeling the effects as more and more news articles go online regarding highly inaccurate range calculations and stranded owners.

Has anyone tested the Volt's range without a battery recharge?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

Woohoo for day off!!

sounds fun... all worky for me...:(

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Has anyone tested the Volt's range without a battery recharge?

You mean with a depleted battery? It would drive just like a normal car, run until the gas gauge read empty.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

You mean with a depleted battery? It would drive just like a normal car, run until the gas gauge read empty.

Yes, is there a range on how long it will run with just gas and no battery?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Yes, is there a range on how long it will run with just gas and no battery?

Based on the EPA combined fuel economy and the size of its gas tank ... up to 350 miles or so.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Based on the EPA combined fuel economy and the size of its gas tank ... up to 350 miles or so.

Cool. I didn't think it would go that far without a battery charge.