Camaro SS vs 09 GT500

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Considering there is absolutely no concrete performance data on the Camaro to date, then you are simply guessing. Just so you know, I would not take the 12.8 magazine quarter mile time as what a stock GT500 will run. My 2007, with only 500 on the clock and in it's as delivered configuration including the stock F1 Goodyear's, ran 12.51 @ 113.81 (2.042 60ft) at Beech Bend Raceway in June 2008 (90 degree day).

You'll have to forgive the vast majority of folks on this board for their takes on what the GT500 can and cannot do well. Very few have ever sat behind the wheel of one, let alone actually make a dragstrip pass in one or make a lap or two on a road course. The only numbers they can spit out are what they have heard second or third-hand or read in some magazine along the way.

The only way to find out the outcome of the duel you proposed is to take actually make the race happen when you get your car. Anything else is just an opinion, and given this is a Gen5 Camaro board, most of those opinions are going to favor the Camaro SS.

.5 in a quarter mile is about 5 car lengths difference. That's an eternity in drag racing.

I really Can't wait until someone compares the SS and GT500

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

I really Can't wait until someone compares the SS and GT500

I'm sure it will be happening at dragstrips and road courses throughout the summer and the results will be a mixed bag, I'm sure. The GM guys will post up every instance of a GT500 getting beat and the GT500 guys will do the same. Each camp will claim the results in the video are the norm for any SS/GT500 matchup and each will declare a decisive victory over the other.

[Blownhotrodder]

Originally Posted by Devil-eyes

ive driven his shelby. its crazy fast. im planning on going forced induction on the camaro anyway in a couple yrs. so no way itl catch me then. but like you hes planning on droppin a Kenne Bell in there

While your figuring the cost of the blower kit go ahead and factor in a complete built shortblock with forged internals. With the gt500, throw a kenne bell on their and you have over 1000 crank hp at your disposal. I also dont understand the comments on braking, gt500 has brembos just like the camaro right?

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

While your figuring the cost of the blower kit go ahead and factor in a complete built shortblock with forged internals. With the gt500, throw a kenne bell on their and you have over 1000 crank hp at your disposal. I also dont understand the comments on braking, gt500 has brembos just like the camaro right?

Yes, both have Brembo 4-piston calipers and 14" rotors. I believe the Camaro does have better rear brakes, however, than the GT500, but that has always confused me. According to the Camaro literature, the SS has 14.4" rear rotors and 4-piston rear calipers, but if the front brakes bear the majority of the load when braking, I'm not sure why they would have larger rear brakes than front brakes.

[The_Blur]

The GT500 should be running with Corvettes, not Camaros, so if you're going to do this, you need to modify the Camaro pretty aggressively. Throw some money at lightweight rims, drag radials, cold-air intake, catback exhaust, long-tube headers, an aggressive tune, and a driver with anorexia.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

The GT500 should be running with Corvettes, not Camaros, so if you're going to do this, you need to modify the Camaro pretty aggressively. Throw some money at lightweight rims, drag radials, cold-air intake, catback exhaust, long-tube headers, an aggressive tune, and a driver with anorexia.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Considering there is absolutely no concrete performance data on the Camaro to date, then you are simply guessing. Just so you know, I would not take the 12.8 magazine quarter mile time as what a stock GT500 will run. My 2007, with only 500 on the clock and in it's as delivered configuration including the stock F1 Goodyear's, ran 12.51 @ 113.81 (2.042 60ft) at Beech Bend Raceway in June 2008 (90 degree day).

You'll have to forgive the vast majority of folks on this board for their takes on what the GT500 can and cannot do well. Very few have ever sat behind the wheel of one, let alone actually make a dragstrip pass in one or make a lap or two on a road course. The only numbers they can spit out are what they have heard second or third-hand or read in some magazine along the way.

The only way to find out the outcome of the duel you proposed is to take actually make the race happen when you get your car. Anything else is just an opinion, and given this is a Gen5 Camaro board, most of those opinions are going to favor the Camaro SS.

.5 in a quarter mile is about 5 car lengths difference. That's an eternity in drag racing.

Ummm....GT500's come standard with 3.31 gears, so they're at the same disadvantage or worse.

No Deal!! the GT-500 has a positive displacement supercharger which means tons of power at the bottom, thus it does not really need an aggressive rear end gears.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Yes, both have Brembo 4-piston calipers and 14" rotors. I believe the Camaro does have better rear brakes, however, than the GT500, but that has always confused me. According to the Camaro literature, the SS has 14.4" rear rotors and 4-piston rear calipers, but if the front brakes bear the majority of the load when braking, I'm not sure why they would have larger rear brakes than front brakes.

It has larger drakes in the rear I assume for better brake modulation/feel on the track. It is better than I think the 11.86" rear brakes on the GT-500.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Devil-eyes

my cousin says once i get my SS there aint no way i can get his Shelby in a straight unless i Supercharge/Turbocharge it

what do you guys think? is there anyway the SS with all the boltons hang with a bone stock GT500 in a straight? i know itl destroy it in handling.

Oh there are ways besides using forced induction. Since people have already mentioned weight reduction, bolt-ons and better tires, oh toss something like 4.10 gear swap in there too. Between all that, you shouldn't have much of a problem with a GT500.

Now, have you considered spraying? Yeah its considered cheating by many, but your words were "ain't no way" and that is one way. A cam swap might do the trick too but it might not be the easiest way.

[Blownhotrodder]

All this discussion without touching on the halfshafts in the rear of the camaro. It will be interesting to see what they will be able to handle without failing.

[Hesh]

Well you figure they came out of the ZR1 the half shafts should be fine.

[Blownhotrodder]

Where does it say they came out of the ZR1? Link?

[Lumina SS]

[QUOTE=Devil-eyes;315834]my cousin says once i get my SS there aint no way i can get his Shelby in a straight unless i Supercharge/Turbocharge it

what do you guys think? is there anyway the SS with all the boltons hang with a bone stock GT500 in a straight? i know itl destroy it in handling.

I think with header,X-pipe,K&N filter and pully with tune i think you can pass him so easly

[fazm]

what pulley do you speak of on the SS? crank pulley?

intake/exhaust/tune is probably not going to come out to 100hp, which is about what is needed. nevermind "pass him so easly".