New Scion sport coupe - Page 2

ViperTomcat · 04-21-2011, 11:36 AM

The thing is..Scion is taking a step in offering exotic style and hopefully (maybe?) some significant performance to back it up. I would be all in favor of a mid-20K range Scion sport coupe that would be able to freaking humble up Z car drivers (300-370Z).

For too long Nissan has dominated the sport coupe world with their damned Z cars, nothing would make me happier to see that reign end, and none too soon. I would HAIL the death of the Z car.

cab2g · 04-21-2011, 01:59 PM

I have a sinking suspicion that this will be a sub 200HP car. Does toyota even make a 200 HP engine? j/k

syr74 · 04-21-2011, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

The thing is..Scion is taking a step in offering exotic style and hopefully (maybe?) some significant performance to back it up. I would be all in favor of a mid-20K range Scion sport coupe that would be able to freaking humble up Z car drivers (300-370Z).

For too long Nissan has dominated the sport coupe world with their damned Z cars, nothing would make me happier to see that reign end, and none too soon. I would HAIL the death of the Z car.

My money says a mid 20's version of this is going to be hard pressed to humble a 2011 Mustang V6, no 370Z will have anything to worry about. And that sums up my one issue with the new Scion, I have little doubt that this will by anything but pricey.

derklug · 04-21-2011, 11:22 PM

I like it, the front fender lines remind me of a Javelin. The most important thing is for them to give it some umph. Good looks and mediocre performance just don't cut it anymore.

Stew · 04-22-2011, 07:37 AM

I am really looking forward to this car, the more affordable performance vehicles to keep the breed alive the better. Also, performance is more than acceleration. An car with decent power, excellent gas mileage and awesome handling would be a hit right now. Remember this is going to be around 1/2 ton lighter than the Camaro so even 200 HP will scoot! And it is designed for an ultra low center of gravity, excellent weight distribution, and generally an excellent platform. One of the great things about it is that it is a dedicated platform for a sports car, unlike the Camaro and the CHallenger ( and even the Mustang to an extent with it's Lincoln LS Ansestor) which rely on modified Sedan platforms. I have to give Toyota credit, though I would much rather see this as a Toyota Celica as they desperatly need an injection of Sporty in their lineup. Remember in the 80s and to a lesser extent, the 90s Toyota made fun cars with a little passion and individuality.. The origional US Celica? RWD Corollas? Supras? MR2s (not that poor excuse called and MR Spyder), the even had a RWD sedan at one point with the Cressida! And the origional toyota Pickups? I still love the black 4x4 from Back to the Future and would pimp that right now!

LostInMoscow · 04-22-2011, 08:57 AM

Can't wait to see the Subaru version! Maybe it will be 4WD? That would catch my attention!

Stew · 04-22-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LostInMoscow

Can't wait to see the Subaru version! Maybe it will be 4WD? That would catch my attention!

No AWD unfortunatly, they already said RWD only, but I am hoping it is a bit more restrained looking haha.

*DGthe3* · 04-22-2011, 03:34 PM

Well ... it might be quicker than a V6 Challenger or turbo4 Genesis (though it should handle better than either). V6 Camaros, Mustangs, and Genesises (Genesi?) shouldn't have too much of a problem with them though. But those cars aren't what its supposed to compete against so it doesn't really matter. In fact, it should pretty much have its segment to itself. Nearest competitor (besides its Subaru cousin) would be what, the RX8? Who else has a ~3000 lb rwd 4 seater that doesn't cost much?

Oh, and I think its ugly.

syr74 · 04-22-2011, 06:22 PM

This platform is Impreza derived and as such is at best no more a dedicated platform than the one underpinning the Mustang. Further, unique or not Toyota is going to attempt to market a smaller than Mustang, rwd, four cylinder, 200hp, 2+2 for V-6 Mustang money at best. Many of the rumors indicate that this car will cost more than that.

I just don't see the market clamoring for these at that price point. Give this thing a TC-esque price tag and they would fly off lots at the speed of light and you could count me among the very interested. At four to five grand more than that, I don't like it's chances.

8cd03gro · 04-22-2011, 07:22 PM

The aftermarket potential just isn't there with an n/a boxer imo. It needs a turbo. A single turbo setup would be a nightmare to design for the aftermarket, any kind of head or cam work will require removing the engine with a hoist, so the bolt ons better do well or it's just worthless imo.

04-21-2011, 01:59 PM	#16
cab2g love. my. car. Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,372 View My Garage	I have a sinking suspicion that this will be a sub 200HP car. Does toyota even make a 200 HP engine? j/k __________________

04-21-2011, 11:22 PM	#18
derklug Drives: 12 Boss 302 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Posts: 1,369	I like it, the front fender lines remind me of a Javelin. The most important thing is for them to give it some umph. Good looks and mediocre performance just don't cut it anymore. __________________ The biggest mistakes in life come when you know exactly what you are doing.

04-22-2011, 08:57 AM	#20
LostInMoscow Exiled Speed Junkie Drives: None Join Date: May 2010 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 803	Can't wait to see the Subaru version! Maybe it will be 4WD? That would catch my attention! __________________

04-22-2011, 03:34 PM	#22
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	Well ... it might be quicker than a V6 Challenger or turbo4 Genesis (though it should handle better than either). V6 Camaros, Mustangs, and Genesises (Genesi?) shouldn't have too much of a problem with them though. But those cars aren't what its supposed to compete against so it doesn't really matter. In fact, it should pretty much have its segment to itself. Nearest competitor (besides its Subaru cousin) would be what, the RX8? Who else has a ~3000 lb rwd 4 seater that doesn't cost much? Oh, and I think its ugly. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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04-21-2011, 11:36 AM	#15
ViperTomcat Banned Drives: 2011 Avenger Heat Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,697	The thing is..Scion is taking a step in offering exotic style and hopefully (maybe?) some significant performance to back it up. I would be all in favor of a mid-20K range Scion sport coupe that would be able to freaking humble up Z car drivers (300-370Z). For too long Nissan has dominated the sport coupe world with their damned Z cars, nothing would make me happier to see that reign end, and none too soon. I would HAIL the death of the Z car.

04-22-2011, 07:37 AM	#19
Stew Drives: 92 Luminadead/01 Dakota/97 F150 4x4 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eastern, Ky Posts: 3,789	I am really looking forward to this car, the more affordable performance vehicles to keep the breed alive the better. Also, performance is more than acceleration. An car with decent power, excellent gas mileage and awesome handling would be a hit right now. Remember this is going to be around 1/2 ton lighter than the Camaro so even 200 HP will scoot! And it is designed for an ultra low center of gravity, excellent weight distribution, and generally an excellent platform. One of the great things about it is that it is a dedicated platform for a sports car, unlike the Camaro and the CHallenger ( and even the Mustang to an extent with it's Lincoln LS Ansestor) which rely on modified Sedan platforms. I have to give Toyota credit, though I would much rather see this as a Toyota Celica as they desperatly need an injection of Sporty in their lineup. Remember in the 80s and to a lesser extent, the 90s Toyota made fun cars with a little passion and individuality.. The origional US Celica? RWD Corollas? Supras? MR2s (not that poor excuse called and MR Spyder), the even had a RWD sedan at one point with the Cressida! And the origional toyota Pickups? I still love the black 4x4 from Back to the Future and would pimp that right now!

04-22-2011, 06:22 PM	#23
syr74 Account Suspended Drives: Thunderbird Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 951	This platform is Impreza derived and as such is at best no more a dedicated platform than the one underpinning the Mustang. Further, unique or not Toyota is going to attempt to market a smaller than Mustang, rwd, four cylinder, 200hp, 2+2 for V-6 Mustang money at best. Many of the rumors indicate that this car will cost more than that. I just don't see the market clamoring for these at that price point. Give this thing a TC-esque price tag and they would fly off lots at the speed of light and you could count me among the very interested. At four to five grand more than that, I don't like it's chances.

04-22-2011, 07:22 PM	#24
8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,997	The aftermarket potential just isn't there with an n/a boxer imo. It needs a turbo. A single turbo setup would be a nightmare to design for the aftermarket, any kind of head or cam work will require removing the engine with a hoist, so the bolt ons better do well or it's just worthless imo.