The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[8cd03gro]

It's without a doubt a driver's race. The mustang has the advantage in the drags in both auto and manual form, but the only one that will have a real considerable advantage will be auto mustang vs auto SS. One auto 5.0 has gone 12.39 stock and a few others have done 12.4s now. It has a very clear advantage over an l99, but even still should be a driver's race with an ls3, with a fair advantage to the mustang. I'd say anything within a half second is a driver's race. That doesn't mean one doesn't have the advantage, but it's close enough to be made up by tiny, tiny mistakes.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Clan member # 2 here lol.

You know exactly what he is talking about.

Facts as you present them are spiteful and a bit exaggerated at times.

Other than that I could really care less.

Mmmmkay....I post up video and time slip evidence what does what where. You guys strictly reject it. It is like trying to teach a blind person how to read.

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I literally laughed out loud at the first bolded statement....using your "logic" I'd say that the pot calling the kettle black.

As far as the second bolded statement....I'm not sure what facts I need to accept. The fact that a 11' GT vs. a LS3 SS is a drivers race? Or the the fact that a RT Challenger isn't faster than an LS3 SS. Please clarify which "fact" you're talking about.

And finally, you sir define ignorant......your post history shows this. When you traded your SS for the GT it was the greatest thing ever. Then you got an RT and that car just BLEW UP the local SS crowd. Your shit is tiring and has zero value here.

Take your act to a mustang/challenger site....and take the rest of your "clan" with you. I wish the mods would clean house around here....

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Here's the problem...some of that clan loves to roll into other threads and start shit.

If you think I'm wrong....just do a little research.

Also, hop on the net and surf over to Mustang/Challenger forums to see if there have a dedicated Camaro section or sub forum.

Let me know your results.

I think "officially" the three of you will be know as members of the Fantasy Clan. <insert some 70's disco music here>

Are you upset that you can't run anything better than a 12 sec. 1/4 mile with your mods? Hell at least you have the motivation to take it to the track to see what it will do. The other 2 either live with mom and dad and are "thinking" they will head out sometime this year or would rather get excited about posting garbage on the Internet.

I welcome anyone to search my posts here. The truth will be had. The 3 of you are the fire starters. I encourage you to go back and read some of your drivel. It is clear and evident that someone cannot accept the facts/handle the truth. That is a shame.

Regarding the trade for the GT....look at my post history and find the reason why. Here is some help: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90740

BTW - I have also contributed to the technical section posting about the experiences I have had with xyz part, coordinated a dyno day for local members, etc... I figured you wanted to leave that out however so you can paint whatever image of me you wanted.

[thePill]

Since I own a 2011 Mustang GT Premium and I am always quick on the criticism, I will put together a CONS list. I have had the Mustang since 21 December, 2010 and it has 3200 miles on the odometer. 2011 Mustang GT Premium, 5.0, 6 speed Getrag, 3.73's, 401a. Here it is:

CONS:

1. Cupholder: This cupholder is strategically in the worst place it could possibly be. I would imagine that an automatic wouldn't be as bad but I don't have an auto. I usually use it for my iPhone, Pall Mall's, lighter, change dish ect ect...

2. Glovebox: The glovebox is pretty small, mostly limited to document storage. Even some documents have to be folded to fit in there or it will cover the latch and the glovebox won't close.

3. Door storage compartment: The little slot below the armrest isn't wide enough to store anything in. I use to detail automobiles and have seen some useless storage compartments... this is one of the smallest. If it isn't big enough to put something in it, don't put it there at all, it is very hard to clean down inside there because the opening is so narrow.

4. Factory Ride Height: The ride height is way too high for any performance vehicle. I am shocked that the GT can produce the numbers that it can while there is 2 1/2 inches between the tire and the fenders. Lowering springs are the first mod I suggest once you get the car. At least 1 inch front, 1.2 in the back... Do Not Exceed 1.5 fr/ 1.75 rr, the suspension needs room to travel.

5. Transmission Fluid: There has already been a TSB issued on the 31st of March. The stock transmission fluid made it a little more difficult to shift when the transmission was cold. It was noticeable in 1st and 2nd gears but may also be noticed in 3rd through 6th gears. The increased shift effort may be the result of the increased viscosity of the transmission fluid in cold weather. Once you change out the fluid.. problem solved. http://www.mustangevolution.com/must...2012-mustangs/

6. Tire hop prior to break-in: I experienced tire hop initially when the car was new, or newer I should say. Once the suspension settled, I rarely hop anymore. I recommend some control arms after the ride height is lowered.

7. Interior illumination on the console: The buttons on the console are a light blue/aqua. I would love to be able to change the color of the entire button illumination to match my gauges and ambient lighting. If I could have changed everything, I would have purchased a Race Red, the Red brick interior and with red ambient lighting and gauges.

8. Too quiet: The new 5.0 is too quiet. Too much sound deadening material inside the car. The exhaust is too restrictive as well, this is another must do mod. The sound induction tube is cool and does the trick until you have the cash to make this thing louder. I pulled both the sound tubes plugs so I could hear the car.

9. Leather seats: While the leather seats are nice, they still are not superior quality leather. I'm sure these leather seats are more durable than the European leather but this is an area that we Americans fall behind in. Leather seats are also the worst thing you can invest in if you are going to race the car. They do not provide the grip you need during hard cornering, this will have you hanging on to the shifter/steering wheel (bad thing to do) or wrapping your right elbow around the center console. They are also way too heavy, I read somewhere that the power drivers seat is 60+ pounds over the passengers 40+ pounds. No matter what car your buying... think twice about the leather..

10. Factory Grille: The stock grille is very restrictive. There are only two small openings between the running horse and the fog lamps. I immediately deleted my fog lights with a Roush 7 bar grille, it opened the entire grille area up. Caution: Once you increase the airflow into the engine bay, start looking for an aftermarket heat extractor hood. I currently am looking at the Steeda Q-series fictional hood but even a cowl hood is useful. There was a lot of air pressure underneath the hood at 140mph on the Autobahn.

11. Factory soft limiter: This will be a BIG surprise the first time you hit this. The soft limiter kicks in around 6700rpm and stays engaged until you redline the car. This is the main reason some car magazines pulled incredibly bad 1/4 mile times. If you look at the Road & Track first test in the 2011 Mustang, the 13.2@109mph was accomplished by not knowing the vehicle (Car & Driver too). The shifts were made at 7000rpm whichs means they rode through the factory soft limiter, which means they lost about 1-2mph in each gear. The soft limiter pulls fuel and timing, making the engine run like its out of gas. I recommend an SCT tune to at least eliminate the soft limiter. Take note of the damage done by shifting at the hard limiter and not before the soft limiter in the 5.0. This will result in bad 1/4 mile times as this 13.2 run by R&T/C&D is accepted in this community to be standard now. It is a drivers race... only the driver lost here...

Note: R&T didn't even reach 60 in second gear, top speed in second with the 3.73's and 19 inch Brembo package Pirelli's is 62-63mph. They shouldn't be shifting into 3rd before 60. Shifting at 6800rpm (200-300rpm before hard limiter) or when the tachometer flashes red, would have saved them 3mph in that gear alone. 2-3mph was lost in each shift, this also forced them to shift into 5th right before they trapped.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by wbt

Mmmmkay....I post up video and time slip evidence what does what where. You guys strictly reject it. It is like trying to teach a blind person how to read.





I think "officially" the three of you will be know as members of the Fantasy Clan. <insert some 70's disco music here>

Are you upset that you can't run anything better than a 12 sec. 1/4 mile with your mods? Hell at least you have the motivation to take it to the track to see what it will do. The other 2 either live with mom and dad and are "thinking" they will head out sometime this year or would rather get excited about posting garbage on the Internet.

I welcome anyone to search my posts here. The truth will be had. The 3 of you are the fire starters. I encourage you to go back and read some of your drivel. It is clear and evident that someone cannot accept the facts/handle the truth. That is a shame.

Regarding the trade for the GT....look at my post history and find the reason why. Here is some help: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90740

BTW - I have also contributed to the technical section posting about the experiences I have had with xyz part, coordinated a dyno day for local members, etc... I figured you wanted to leave that out however so you can paint whatever image of me you wanted.

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm done arguing with you and have been for some time.

[GTAHVIT]

Last time I'm gonna say it.

if this is the only thread you are posting in... You won't last much longer... That goes for both Camaro and Mustang "clans"

[ffrcobra_65]

Can I be in the neutral and open-minded clan?

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

Can I be in the neutral and open-minded clan?

I'm in the open minded clan.

I've got respect for the 11 GT, thing flat out performs.

The problem here is, several members who are in the blue oval clan here seem to believe the new Stang walks all over the LS3 SS.

They sold the shit out of the new Camaro...many of them to totally green folks who have no clue how to operate the car. Blue oval cult goes to strip and sees a SL575 car turning 14.4s because the operator has no clue how to launch the car and the rest is history.

I'm trapping 117 mph but can't get out of the low 13s because the car can't launch on the P-Zeros. Tires and suspension mods are a must...

[GQ4Life]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I'm in the open minded clan.

I've got respect for the 11 GT, thing flat out performs.

The problem here is, several members who are in the blue oval clan here seem to believe the new Stang walks all over the LS3 SS.

They sold the shit out of the new Camaro...many of them to totally green folks who have no clue how to operate the car. Blue oval cult goes to strip and sees a SL575 car turning 14.4s because the operator has no clue how to launch the car and the rest is history.

I'm trapping 117 mph but can't get out of the low 13s because the car can't launch on the P-Zeros. Tires and suspension mods are a must...

I'm in that clan love both cars. I Understand mustang a lil faster cuz its lighter with tighter gears.. but it ain't much just fuels the Ford Chevy race.

Work on launch rpm & clutch release. I've broke 11's on stock pirelli trapping 120mph .. tons of low 12's.... just work on launch.. shifting super fast helps too

[assasinator]

its so unimportant which one is faster. we all like our selection except the fence sitters who switch between tha fastest car at that time. they are both within a hair of a ferrari F40 horsepower when modded a little.

they both handle spectacular. they are both faster than anything in their class built previously. the pinnacle.

the alpha Z28 will change this around the other way if its lighter, and these cars exist at all.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I'm in the open minded clan.

I've got respect for the 11 GT, thing flat out performs.

The problem here is, several members who are in the blue oval clan here seem to believe the new Stang walks all over the LS3 SS.

They sold the shit out of the new Camaro...many of them to totally green folks who have no clue how to operate the car. Blue oval cult goes to strip and sees a SL575 car turning 14.4s because the operator has no clue how to launch the car and the rest is history.

I'm trapping 117 mph but can't get out of the low 13s because the car can't launch on the P-Zeros. Tires and suspension mods are a must...

I am not trying to incite anything and what I am about to ask is purely an open-minded question for an open-minded answer.

If driver X drives a '11 GT five times then turns around and drives a Camaro SS five times to get the top 3 best times for each car. Remember, same driver, this eliminates the "driver's race" argument. Now it is just stock GT vs stock SS. Do you think the result will favor the GT ot SS?

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I am not trying to incite anything and what I am about to ask is purely an open-minded question for an open-minded answer.

If driver X drives a '11 GT five times then turns around and drives a Camaro SS five times to get the top 3 best times for each car. Remember, same driver, this eliminates the "driver's race" argument. Now it is just stock GT vs stock SS. Do you think the result will favor the GT ot SS?

If its a Auto 5.0 vs a L99, I'm going to say the Mustang.

Let us be clear, the only Camaro vs. Mustang pairing that is a "drivers race" is the manuals.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

If its a Auto 5.0 vs a L99, I'm going to say the Mustang.

Let us be clear, the only Camaro vs. Mustang pairing that is a "drivers race" is the manuals.

Agreed 100% , provided the cars are stock for stock.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I am not trying to incite anything and what I am about to ask is purely an open-minded question for an open-minded answer.

If driver X drives a '11 GT five times then turns around and drives a Camaro SS five times to get the top 3 best times for each car. Remember, same driver, this eliminates the "driver's race" argument. Now it is just stock GT vs stock SS. Do you think the result will favor the GT ot SS?

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

If its a Auto 5.0 vs a L99, I'm going to say the Mustang.

Let us be clear, the only Camaro vs. Mustang pairing that is a "drivers race" is the manuals.

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Agreed 100% , provided the cars are stock for stock.

[bmwdon]

Hooray!!! Obama owns a Challenger

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Let us be clear