The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by KKreme15

Beating it's time around one track doesn't mean it's an overall better track car.

it also beat the grand sport. also dont forget its also a more practical and more affordable car

[thePill]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Wow I thought it would take a high speed circuit for the GT500 to beat the Boss but the 2011 GT500 PP beat the Boss on the tight Streets of Willow course which favors lighter weight car's. Chalk this up to another one of your
"Reason's to buy a GT500 over a Boss."

Streets of Willow is suppose to be one of the fastest road courses in the United States (Willow's full course is), Although it's max speeds are 10-14mph less than Laguna. Its full of fast, gradual turns and straights. The GT500 has done 1.23.48 with Randy driving so there is alot of make up to do. I would have to see if Insideline even adjusted the dampers or not (They didn't in the first test), If that was the case, it might as well be a 32 extra horsepower GT out there. Laguna has a massive elevation change and would favor lighter cars obviously, also alot of tight corners and uneven pavement which is another light curb weight favorite. The GT500 actually gains alot of ground on the Z06 at Willow, it was 13 seconds slower at Laguna (1.44 w/ 2010 GT500) and was only 3 seconds slower at Willow (1.23). This looks like the GT500's track where it's slightly more curb weight isn't affected by elevation changes, tight corners and stop and goes. It takes full advantage of multiple straights, long gradual turns and using torque on exits, especially when the corner speed is high to begin with.

I just read IL's review and it appears, once again, that the did not adjust the suspension in the Boss 302. The suspension is adjustable for a reason, to optimize the dampers for different track duty. Even still, the Boss might have a hard time with the GT500 here at Willow. IL managed a 112mph top speed in the back straight (about 5mph slower than Randy). Still a decent video, its a good day when the Mustangs only competition is a Mustang.

I don't expect much from IL, slower times, slower speeds, not maximizing the suspension and stating that the 1st-3rd gear ratio's were much steeper from the V6PP to the GT to the Boss... When the same Getrag MT-82 with the same ratio's are used in all three Mustangs (when they even stated it was a Getrag in the report) Either way, the GT500 is untouchable as far as 1/4 mile goes, regardless of what Insideline has to say...

Good find Dan...

[thePill]

Originally Posted by BigDan

I think it would be a mute point if they also sold a supercharged version of the Boss but until they add some boost I'm going to keep my one hundred twenty dollar pulley'd 650hp 2011 GT500. I still need a lot more practice behind the wheel at the road course before I even start to make an investment on my suspension but once the time come's I will be getting a Laguna Seca killing Grigg's GR40 watts link.

Even with a Supercharged Boss, I don't think Ford is going to make another engine like the 5.4. I could be wrong, but I think the 5.4 was intended for 800+ horsepower from birth where the Boss was intended on high RPM stamina. It will be interesting to actually see what the Boss can handle but I'm not betting any of my paychecks that it can go 1000hp on the stock bottom.

Watts link is awesome, I would love to see what a Watts Shelby could do.

[thePill]

Wow, the Shelby GT500 only weighed 3808lbs in that video, that's pretty impressive. The Insideline gallery is nice, there are some screen savers in there. http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...t-gallery.html

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by thePill

Wow, the Shelby GT500 only weighed 3808lbs in that video, that's pretty impressive.

Car's and Driver 2011 PP weighed 3,751lbs when they had it on the scale at their track. The GT500 is no longer a overweight pig, especially once you change the rims, as I got mine down to 3,660lbs and heard the factory H pipe weighs 30lbs and the passenger seat is even heavier so its possible for mine to tips the scales on race day some where in the 3,5xx's which have some of the Terminators crying. Next on the mod list is Griggs suspension and brakes which should drop another 120lbs, by then I don't think any 100k street car would pass it at the track in the hands of a good driver.

[BigDan]

This is so awesome that the Boss has responded so freakin well to "such little mods" as a few members put it. Ford really delivered a home run with this Boss 302 on on such an aging platform. I'm so glad automakers are making steps in the right direction after watching them go backwards for so long. All these new models make we wish I had the expendable income to just get the ultimate Mustang in every category 2012 Boss 302s, 2012 Cobra Jet in blue and keep my 2011 as a mild mannered DD, all that and a new SVT Raptor and I'd be in new car nirvana.

Funny thing is I always considered my self a chevy guy until I joined this site and I still would be if they currently had direct competition to the 4 vehicles on my list. I wore by Chevy blinders on pretty tight and never really stopped to smell the roses ford was growing this past decade the and give them credit where credit is due especially since chevy bowed out in 02 and that is the same time I canceled all my chevy subscriptions, lost my 67 Camaro to my ex and got into hot rodding diesel pickups. I joined here expecting to see mid-low 12 second stock L99's but that wasn't the case, then I saw a post about a stock 2010 GT500 running 10's with just a pulley and DR's and I was hooked.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by thePill

Wow, the Shelby GT500 only weighed 3808lbs in that video, that's pretty impressive. The Insideline gallery is nice, there are some screen savers in there. http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...t-gallery.html

Damn, Edmund's got some pretty terrible times there. I've gotten a 4.6 0-60 in my GT.

[newmoon]

Well so much for the over hyped Boss, I for one am happy to see that the GT500 is still king over at the Ford Camp, maybe if Ford had put some torque in the Boss along with the HP things might have been differant.

[CC Performance]

Originally Posted by Sawyer

I'm guessing 49,500 on the 2013 Shelby. (before options)

Thats not bad I guess when you think about new cars prices. Your getting a whole package for that. I know I could produce a Camaro special edition dealer car that would make more power for a lot less for sure, but you have to look at suspension as well.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Well so much for the over hyped Boss, I for one am happy to see that the GT500 is still king over at the Ford Camp, maybe if Ford had put some torque in the Boss along with the HP things might have been differant.

That was one test. It killed the GT500 at laguna seca along with the Z06 corvette. The Point is these cars are all king any more. there is very little overall difference in performance. Just buy the one you like the best and you'll be one of the king too no matter which one you get.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by motorhead

That was one test. It killed the GT500 at laguna seca along with the Z06 corvette. The Point is these cars are all king any more. there is very little overall difference in performance. Just buy the one you like the best and you'll be one of the king too no matter which one you get.

It killed the Z06, who was driving the mustang a pro-shoe race car driver, and who was driving the Z06 a journalist?

[thePill]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Well so much for the over hyped Boss, I for one am happy to see that the GT500 is still king over at the Ford Camp, maybe if Ford had put some torque in the Boss along with the HP things might have been differant.

The Boss was always meant to be a track star and I fully believe that after a few laps, cars like the GT500 and ZL1 would become heat soaked and lose alot of ground. Its also worth noting that Insideline doesn't adjust the factory damper setting from 2. This is something you will see in another publication but Insideline and Car and Driver will not. IL didn't print out a data sheet for the runs, but the GT500 run was 2 seconds off its best time and 5MPH under... Now that performance cars are on the brink of being dangerously scary, you will see regular car mags run horrible times compared to a professional driver. When it comes to these machines, I want to know the limits of the car itself.. not the limits of the driver...

To quote a favorite magazine of mine during the first Boss 302 test.

The Boss’s grip almost always exceeds the driver’s courage, so feel free to ignore our lateral-grip figure

Car and Driver

[thePill]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It killed the Z06, who was driving the mustang a pro-shoe race car driver, and who was driving the Z06 a journalist?

It beat the old Z06's time, not the new Z06 Carbon... A Motor Trend driver was running it. Although, Ford brought in a "pro-shoe" and claimed that the Laguna Seca ran a sub 1.39.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It killed the Z06, who was driving the mustang a pro-shoe race car driver, and who was driving the Z06 a journalist?

They were all driven by pros but not the same pros and not the same day. Either way that is very impressive for a solid rear axles 302.