The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by thePill

Pete, I'm still under par... My war fightin' days are coming to an end.. I was denied a trip down south into the current unpleasantness
Another trip to the Neuro on the 28th for another spinal intrusion.

Hang in there

[snakekiller]

http://www.stangtv.com/news/jpc-clad...lly-aspirated/

[nasa.zl1]

It is not much of a competition when you compare a $60K plus car, to one for $47K. The choice is easy for me: Classy looks, super performance, the latest gadgets including electric steering and video rear view monitoring with super supspension, all for $47K. Sold!

I'll let others top out at $70K with Califonria tax for a Mustang. I have to admit I am sure it will be very nice but just too expensive for the average person. Might as well buy a used Lamborghini for that price.

I am very biased towards the Camaros since I like a bigger car that will protect me from all of the distracted drivers on the roads but I am not into boats (Challengers).

[Sax1031]

Damn I didn't know Chevy was selling the ZL1 yet.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Damn I didn't know Chevy was selling the ZR1 yet.

That's because you own a mustang. Why would you care about following corvettes.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by coolman

That's because you own a mustang. Why would you care about following corvettes.

to me

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Okay, Mr. Sheen.....

WINNER!!!

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by nasa.zl1

It is not much of a competition when you compare a $60K plus car, to one for $47K. The choice is easy for me: Classy looks, super performance, the latest gadgets including electric steering and video rear view monitoring with super supspension, all for $47K. Sold!

I'll let others top out at $70K with Califonria tax for a Mustang. I have to admit I am sure it will be very nice but just too expensive for the average person. Might as well buy a used Lamborghini for that price.

I am very biased towards the Camaros since I like a bigger car that will protect me from all of the distracted drivers on the roads but I am not into boats (Challengers).

which car are you referring to that costs 60k, 70k and 47k? just trying to make sense of your post.

also just so you know the camaro actually got worse crash ratings from what i remember than both the challenger and mustang.

[Vega]

Mkay, i have quite an oppinion on this (as usual haha, only maybe not so controversial this time LOL) so here goes...

Seems to me Ford decided it was so scared of what GM might do that it started getting scared of itself in the process. So Ford creates the Boss 302 and it tops the GT500 only its lighter and N/A. GM responding late, as usual, creates a GT500 fighter, basically clones a GT500 with GM parts and fixes all of the retartedly simple points Ford continuously misses on (adding near slick-width tires and launch control). Now if i were Ford id stop there. Here Ford has a brand new model that BESTS the GT500 without forced induction and does it CHEAPER. What better way to destroy GM's brand new pride and joy than to put it in a market all by itself? Nobody would want it, itd be $10k more expensive than Ford's Boss and would force GM back to the drawing board before their new baby even hit the streets.

But no, instead Ford decides they have to trump back and adds more hurt under the hood when the problem has nothing to do with power at all, its all in the fact that it cant hook up for sh*t, and as such an SS Camaro, rival to a GT mustang not a GT500, can pull almost the exact same times. So instead of making the car grip and pulling those times down to where they should be, they add 70 more horsepower on which isnt going anywhere but a bigger smoke cloud at the tree. And as if that wasnt bad enough, now Ford is saying "we're done with retro, i know i know, we just redesigned the Mustang but we're tired of it already" well guess what Ford, THE PUBLIC ISNT. Here we're JUST getting into the new styling and Ford is saying "we want to go modern" which to me sounds more like "we wanna look like Europe".

So lets recap...the GT500 is running from the GM, the ZL1, the Boss 302, its own styling, and the thought of not having the most horsepower. I admire Ford for trying to stay ahead of the game so much and succeeding so well as it has. But after reading this article i realize Ford has botched on 3 major decisions that could have kept them in that winning-streak.

1.) The Boss 302 could have destroyed GM's dream of a GT500 fighter before anyone even got a chance to buy it. Even if the ZL1 pulled better numbers (which im sure it would) the $10k difference on a car that can do double as both a tight-wound track car and a tame daily driver would have under-cut the ZL1 easily.

2.) The GT500 does NOT need more horsepower to trump the ZL1, it needs BETTER TRACTION. Its needed this since it was introduced, how can you overlook this? Besides, Ford is still looking at the LSA in the ZL1 as it is in the CTS-V, my advice is dont expect the luxury car's version to match the high-performance muscle car's version (again, doesnt exactly take Sherlock F*ckin Holmes to understand that)

3.) Ford is revising the look of the Mustang to look more modern. The retro theme is a huge hit right now and something YOU started, why duck out now? Sure youre sales arent the highest in the pony car market but people are still happy and youre still making money so why potentially compromise that by trying to go "modern"..again? The reality is you've sold so many cars that people are seeing them everywhere, and nobody wants a cookie-cutter car, they want a car that represents them, something original and semi-unique that isnt on every street corner. So ironicly the reason you want to go modern is because you sold too much of the previous design -_-' wow...

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by Vega

Mkay, i have quite an oppinion on this (as usual haha, only maybe not so controversial this time LOL) so here goes...

Seems to me Ford decided it was so scared of what GM might do that it started getting scared of itself in the process. So Ford creates the Boss 302 and it tops the GT500 only its lighter and N/A. GM responding late, as usual, creates a GT500 fighter, basically clones a GT500 with GM parts and fixes all of the retartedly simple points Ford continuously misses on (adding near slick-width tires and launch control). Now if i were Ford id stop there. Here Ford has a brand new model that BESTS the GT500 without forced induction and does it CHEAPER. What better way to destroy GM's brand new pride and joy than to put it in a market all by itself? Nobody would want it, itd be $10k more expensive than Ford's Boss and would force GM back to the drawing board before their new baby even hit the streets.

But no, instead Ford decides they have to trump back and adds more hurt under the hood when the problem has nothing to do with power at all, its all in the fact that it cant hook up for sh*t, and as such an SS Camaro, rival to a GT mustang not a GT500, can pull almost the exact same times. So instead of making the car grip and pulling those times down to where they should be, they add 70 more horsepower on which isnt going anywhere but a bigger smoke cloud at the tree. And as if that wasnt bad enough, now Ford is saying "we're done with retro, i know i know, we just redesigned the Mustang but we're tired of it already" well guess what Ford, THE PUBLIC ISNT. Here we're JUST getting into the new styling and Ford is saying "we want to go modern" which to me sounds more like "we wanna look like Europe".

So lets recap...the GT500 is running from the GM, the ZL1, the Boss 302, its own styling, and the thought of not having the most horsepower. I admire Ford for trying to stay ahead of the game so much and succeeding so well as it has. But after reading this article i realize Ford has botched on 3 major decisions that could have kept them in that winning-streak.

1.) The Boss 302 could have destroyed GM's dream of a GT500 fighter before anyone even got a chance to buy it. Even if the ZL1 pulled better numbers (which im sure it would) the $10k difference on a car that can do double as both a tight-wound track car and a tame daily driver would have under-cut the ZL1 easily.

2.) The GT500 does NOT need more horsepower to trump the ZL1, it needs BETTER TRACTION. Its needed this since it was introduced, how can you overlook this? Besides, Ford is still looking at the LSA in the ZL1 as it is in the CTS-V, my advice is dont expect the luxury car's version to match the high-performance muscle car's version (again, doesnt exactly take Sherlock F*ckin Holmes to understand that)

3.) Ford is revising the look of the Mustang to look more modern. The retro theme is a huge hit right now and something YOU started, why duck out now? Sure youre sales arent the highest in the pony car market but people are still happy and youre still making money so why potentially compromise that by trying to go "modern"..again? The reality is you've sold so many cars that people are seeing them everywhere, and nobody wants a cookie-cutter car, they want a car that represents them, something original and semi-unique that isnt on every street corner. So ironicly the reason you want to go modern is because you sold too much of the previous design -_-' wow...

Sort of but I that isn't what I think at all .. here is my take on it,

The BOSS is a limited production vehicle that isn't designed to compete against the GT500. The BOSS is a sort of stripped down, great power, great handleing car. The GT500 is not stripped down, but has the weight to prove it, and was designed with the 1/4 mile in mind (But is advanced enough in the suspension compartment to run with some pretty good cars in the twistys as well). To me the line up that FORD has is perfect ... V6, GT, BOSS, GT500 . that pretty much covers all of the bases (especially since Ford doesn't have a Corvette type car in the lineup, it can support more in it's mustang lineup).

As far as the bump in power ... that might be a response to the ZL1, but who knows what they were planning anyways... it isn't like it would be that hard or cost that much for them to squeeze out that much more power ..

Crowley

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Crowley

Sort of but I that isn't what I think at all .. here is my take on it,

The BOSS is a limited production vehicle that isn't designed to compete against the GT500. The BOSS is a sort of stripped down, great power, great handleing car. The GT500 is not stripped down, but has the weight to prove it, and was designed with the 1/4 mile in mind (But is advanced enough in the suspension compartment to run with some pretty good cars in the twistys as well). To me the line up that FORD has is perfect ... V6, GT, BOSS, GT500 . that pretty much covers all of the bases (especially since Ford doesn't have a Corvette type car in the lineup, it can support more in it's mustang lineup).

As far as the bump in power ... that might be a response to the ZL1, but who knows what they were planning anyways... it isn't like it would be that hard or cost that much for them to squeeze out that much more power ..

Crowley

You are more correct, the Boss is not intended to compete with the GT500. It is indeed stripped down an hi power, which is something we have not seen for many decades since most manufacturers 'bundle' power and options to maximize profit. My choice is still the GT500 since it offers more power and potential. Anyone can upgrade tires, so no reason to whine over traction in either case.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Vega

.... fixes all of the retartedly simple points Ford continuously misses on (adding near slick-width tires and launch control).....

"near slick-width" tires"??? whats that even mean??slicks come in a variety of sizes, even small ones are available.

and even if the boss is fast enough to beat the ZL1 around the track, people would opt for the zl1 because it has more power. cmon now this is the USA, thats just how we are.

and we dont know if theyre NOT going to upgrade the tires or suspension on the next gt500 but what if they do??

i love the boss 302, now i wanna see a boss 351 or mach 1

[BigDan]

Stock engine, Ford Racing Supercharger, full exhaust, Circle D converter with stock auto. If I had a blown L99 I'd be really jealous of this basic blown 5.0's performance and that hasn't even had to pull the valve covers, heck I'm jealous. Oh well, there's no way I could downgrade to the GT's interior, maybe one day I will buy a totaled 2011 GT auto and cram the running gear in a 90's notch back and run NA 10's.



Evolution Performance, Inc. - 2011 Mustang GT C/S 5.0L 4V Automatic makes 652 RWHP and 577RWTQ with a Ford Racing/Whipple Twin Screw Supercharger at 12.5lbs of Boost. This car is geared more towards the Street/Strip group using 100% Street Components!

This car is owned by our close friend and customer Chris Cruz.

Modification List - Factory Stock Coyote Engine, Factory Stock 6R80 6-Speed Automatic Transmission with Circle D Specialties Pro Series Billet Torque Converter, Ford Racing Twin Screw Supercharger @ 12.5lbs of Boost, L&M Dual 66mm Throttle Body, 123mm Carbon Fiber Cold Air Intake, JLT Billet Oil Separators, Evolution Performance, Inc. Custom Dyno Tune, American Racing 1 7/8 Longtube Headers with 3" Collector and Off-Road X-Pipe, Borla Catback Exhaust System, Ford Racing 3.73 Gears, Ford Racing Lowering Springs, Evolution Performance, Inc. Adjustable Panhard Bar and Brace, Black Weld RT-S Wheels with Mickey Thompson ET Street D.O.T. Tires.

This car is owned by one of our best customers Chris Cruz.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Stock engine, Ford Racing Supercharger, full exhaust, Circle D converter with stock auto. If I had a blown L99 I'd be really jealous of this basic blown 5.0's performance and that hasn't even had to pull the valve covers, heck I'm jealous. Oh well, there's no way I could downgrade to the GT's interior, maybe one day I will buy a totaled 2011 GT auto and cram the running gear in a 90's notch back and run NA 10's.



Evolution Performance, Inc. - 2011 Mustang GT C/S 5.0L 4V Automatic makes 652 RWHP and 577RWTQ with a Ford Racing/Whipple Twin Screw Supercharger at 12.5lbs of Boost. This car is geared more towards the Street/Strip group using 100% Street Components!

This car is owned by our close friend and customer Chris Cruz.

Modification List - Factory Stock Coyote Engine, Factory Stock 6R80 6-Speed Automatic Transmission with Circle D Specialties Pro Series Billet Torque Converter, Ford Racing Twin Screw Supercharger @ 12.5lbs of Boost, L&M Dual 66mm Throttle Body, 123mm Carbon Fiber Cold Air Intake, JLT Billet Oil Separators, Evolution Performance, Inc. Custom Dyno Tune, American Racing 1 7/8 Longtube Headers with 3" Collector and Off-Road X-Pipe, Borla Catback Exhaust System, Ford Racing 3.73 Gears, Ford Racing Lowering Springs, Evolution Performance, Inc. Adjustable Panhard Bar and Brace, Black Weld RT-S Wheels with Mickey Thompson ET Street D.O.T. Tires.

This car is owned by one of our best customers Chris Cruz.

good lord thats fast and a lot of power!! 142mph! thats really moving. But before even I go praising this i have to know the race weight to get those numbers. Obviously it wont change the 652rwhp number so reguardless thats impressive but i just hate cars with weight reduction.