Not Good, GM wants another 16 or is it 9 Billion to Survive.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by kylepo

No they are nearly EQUAL with the deal that was reached tonight they will be EQUAL. But that is the preception and that is one of GM biggest enemies.



Read up on any of the major news sites/ Major auto news sites.

What was it before the deal that was reached tonight?

[RT21]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Well the idiots leading the financial companies aren't part of my generation and I was merely responding to the comments regarding "children and grandchildren" since I'm likely young enough to be many people on here's grandchild and it's my generation that will ultimately be affected by this the hardest. We're the ones at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to jobs and we'll be alive long enough to see this through.

That is what I meant. Sadly, you are right, but these financial companies as you call them are the #1 problem. You are seeing what the media wants you to see, which is car companies, workers dying. When the real reality is that the "financial" companies are stealing home and no one is watchihng. 700 billion. And yes, they are totally part of YOUR generation. Sally Mae is the one that gave you your student loan if you got one. GM is not the enemy...paper pushers and CEOs of them are.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by RT21

That is what I meant. Sadly, you are right, but these financial companies as you call them are the #1 problem. You are seeing what the media wants you to see, which is car companies, workers dying. When the real reality is that the "financial" companies are stealing home and no one is watchihng. 700 billion. And yes, they are totally part of YOUR generation. Sally Mae is the one that gave you your student loan if you got one. GM is not the enemy...paper pushers and CEOs of them are.

No student loans here (scholarships + job). And the leaders are all baby boomers.

[kanys]

Originally Posted by RT21

STFU...700 billion vs 7 billion. Do the math. You 2 are arguing over your egos...get over it. Talk about AIG or Sally. GM is doin great compared to them.

Can't compare GM with those companies. GM is doing bad just by the fact that they need this much money. True, many other large corporations are doing far worse but that does not negate the fact that GM needs billions of dollars more to stay afloat. I, like many of you surely are, am deeply concerned about our economy and country in general, but will stop it at that since I don't want to get political. Nothing much we can do aside from running for offfice or moving to Hong Kong or something.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by irpq11

What was it before the deal that was reached tonight?

Nearly equal Im not sure any body knows for sure unless some one knows an UAW work and the same pay level worker at the transplants. But the difference between the current hourly uaw worker and the current hourly transplant worker was around 4-7 dollars an hour diff.

[RT21]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

No student loans here (scholarships + job). And the leaders are all baby boomers.

Once again...that is my point. Baby boomers/CEOs. Give me my 70mil bonus and I'll go away. GM doesn't work that way. The paper pushers do. AIG and Sally Mae, once they got the 700 billion bail out, gave their CEO/baby boomers...30 million dollar bonuses to stay. Do you think GM did that for their CEO? Do you think that AIGs CEO should get a bonus? See where I'm going here?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by kylepo

No they are nearly EQUAL with the deal that was reached tonight they will be EQUAL. But that is the preception and that is one of GM biggest enemies.

Theres no way they were Equal or even that close. My wifes freinds husband worked at the Huyndai plant here on Alabama. He was there since it opened til just recently. I don't know 3 or 4 years. He was making 14 dollars per hour just before he quit 4 months ago to move back to Citronelle. I just can't see a GM worker making that little. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. 3 or 4 years and $14 per. Admitedly, I don't know what his job title was but he actually makes more money at Holnam Chemical now.

[RT21]

Originally Posted by kanys

Can't compare GM with those companies. GM is doing bad just by the fact that they need this much money. True, many other large corporations are doing far worse but that does not negate the fact that GM needs billions of dollars more to stay afloat. I, like many of you surely are, am deeply concerned about our economy and country in general, but will stop it at that since I don't want to get political. Nothing much we can do aside from running for offfice or moving to Hong Kong or something.

OK...tard...let me splane to ju....I have an excel spreadsheet if you need one. 700 billion = lots of zeros...7 billion = 9 zeros. Who would you want to give even 1 billion to? Sally Mae or GM?

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by RT21

On a lighter note...What ever happened to Olympia Beer? I loved that stuff...my grandma had cases of it.

Oly Beer was bought out by South African Brewing and the plant closed about 6 years ago and is brewed else where.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Theres no way they were Equal or even that close. My wifes freinds husband worked at the Huyndai plant here on Alabama. He was there since it opened til just recently. I don't know 3 or 4 years. He was making 14 dollars per hour just before he quit 4 months ago to move back to Citronelle. I just can't see a GM worker making that little. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. 3 or 4 years and $14 per. Admitedly, I don't know what his job title was but he actually makes more money at Holnam Chemical now.

See I dont know either and for all we know your friend there was sweeping floors. Im just going by what I have read/heard.

heres a vid just released today/tonight. And Just so you know I think the UAW/Unions have no place in modern society. But when people throw around the 30 or 70 dollar an hour crap it just pisses me off.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1037928375

[PQ]

Originally Posted by RT21

OK...tard...let me splane to ju....I have an excel spreadsheet if you need one. 700 billion = lots of zeros...7 billion = 9 zeros. Who would you want to give even 1 billion to? Sally Mae or GM?

Well the most important question if you think about it is are you driving up to spring fling. Great time brother, Great time.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by kylepo

See I dont know either and for all we know your friend there was sweeping floors. Im just going by what I have read/heard.

heres a vid just released today/tonight. And Just so you know I think the UAW/Unions have no place in modern society. But when people throw around the 30 or 70 dollar an hour crap it just pisses me off.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1037928375

Ya but what did Fox say. JK

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ya but what did Fox say. JK

LMFAO I love fox I love to show it to all my liberal buddies. My school is very conservative. And in all the flat screens around campus it is always on FOX if it’s on a news channel. Even they usually manipulate the numbers in their favor just like that BS 70 dollar an hour claim.

[PQ]

OK so they will 'tighten' the gap in hourly wage but the gap in the VEBA costs are greater than that.