Flip on the news 8.8 quake in Japan - Page 9

Skill377 · 03-12-2011, 12:18 PM

Really have no clue how fast our help will reach them. Plus it takes around 10+ hours to reach there from Cal! So it might be a while before our supplies and help get there.

Imagine the devastation if the meltdown happen and another huge quake hits right after it?

2ndgenz28 · 03-12-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skill377

sad part is.. the japanese government kept telling everyone "everything is fine" but not doing a thing about the reactors. Wonder how bad it'll get once that plant goes BOOM?

They still got that problem where "face" is everything.

So they will lie themself into a hole to save "face".

2ndgenz28 · 03-12-2011, 01:05 PM

RED ALERT on the nuke plant now, gonna go soon, fallout cloud will hit Tokyo they said.

Skill377 · 03-12-2011, 01:07 PM

Oh this is very bad. Time to pray that everyone makes it out of there alive.

2ndgenz28 · 03-12-2011, 01:36 PM

I hate to say it but if you had to look for one, their 1 tiny sliver of a blessing is their prior experience with radiation caused health problems.

kwicslvr · 03-12-2011, 02:35 PM

Hopefully I can clear up some misinformation hear about the nuclear facilities.

First and for most the Unit 1 nuclear plant in Japan will not "explode". This plant is in no way like the chernobyl design. The uranium in almost all commercial facilities is only enriched to 3-5% uranium-235. For it to "explode" via nuclear detonation it must be enriched to >95%.

Chernobyl was cooled by a source other than water which is what caused the explosion and not the fule itself. This boiling water reactor (BWR) in Japan is cooled by water. If it loses water inventory the metal fuel will get hot enough to melt (Three Mile Island) and that is it. The explosion seen earlier was due to a build up of hydrogen gas. This explosion blew off an outer shell of a building that actually houses the containment vessel which houses the reactor vessel which houses the fuel.

As for back up power. All nuclear facilities, at least in the US and multiple forms of back up power supplies in case of a loss of power. First are diesel generators(multiples just in case) which from what I can gather failed to start or even run at the Japanesse plant. Next is a battery that is big enough to fill a small house. Not sure if they had this and if so why it failed.

Iodine pills - this is being considered currently for people still in the local are and the workers. It has to be given within a certain period of time of a release of radioactive particles (Iodine-131) for it to be effective. IIRC within 4-6 hours of the release. A full release has not occured yet. A full release would require the fuel cladding to "melt", reactor vessel and/or associated piping to break and the containment building to break. It is possible to get minor releases but would create minimal if any issues to the public. Appears to be what has happened so far.

Cooling - The primary means is are pumps that pump water through the reactor vessel and over the fuel to remove the heat. With a loss of all power, safety injection should of initiated, which it appear to of for Units 2 and 3 but not Unit 1. If cooling is not restored, core damage (meltdown) will occur and radioactive fission products will be released into the water that cools the core.

I know there is more but feel free to post up any questiona and I will try to answer to the best of my abilility. Oh, and that whole "The Air Force is flying in coolant" from HRC...um coolant is nothing more than water! Why the hell we flying in water when they are surrounded by it!!! Only to find out later that was bogus info she was spouting. Helps if politicians and the media actually have people around them that know what the hell they are talking about.

*DGthe3* · 03-12-2011, 08:53 PM

Also, as for the iodine, I imagine the Japanese are particularly paranoid about the effects of nuclear radiation (not that too many cultures are 'at ease' with it) so I fully expect them to be very eager to get things ready 'just in case'

kwicslvr · 03-13-2011, 07:32 AM

The reason for the iodine pills is that the radioactive isotope I-131 deposits in the thyroid. The iodine pills saturate the thyroid with harmless non radioactive iodine, thus preventing I-131 from depositing in the thyroid and your body will biologically process it out of the body.

2ndgenz28 · 03-13-2011, 02:14 PM

" YouTube - Land Moving In EarthQuake In Japan & Land Is Sinking

so due to the earthquake and tsunami it moved japan 2.4m east and also moved earth's axis 10" and now 2 more reactors are ****ing up."

2ndgenz28 · 03-14-2011, 01:33 AM

before and after quake images
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/ja...eforeafter.htm

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http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm

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helmincamaro · 03-14-2011, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

before and after quake images
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/ja...eforeafter.htm

-----------------

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm

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wow........ don't really know what else to say

Redemption · 03-14-2011, 01:47 AM

Map is total BS... Sorry to tell ya...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?p=5993569

2ndgenz28 · 03-14-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Redemption

Map is total BS... Sorry to tell ya...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?p=5993569

I dunno, the UFO/JFK conspiracy website I got it off said it was the real leak image.

the site is hosted by amazon.com, who hosted wikileaks, gotta be legit

midnighter · 03-14-2011, 02:36 AM

Mother nature's power is so fierce.

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03-12-2011, 12:18 PM	#113
Skill377 Drives: 04 Toyota Camry Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 420	Really have no clue how fast our help will reach them. Plus it takes around 10+ hours to reach there from Cal! So it might be a while before our supplies and help get there. Imagine the devastation if the meltdown happen and another huge quake hits right after it?

03-12-2011, 01:05 PM	#115
2ndgenz28 Thread Killer Drives: All Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NWO Toledo Area Posts: 4,720	RED ALERT on the nuke plant now, gonna go soon, fallout cloud will hit Tokyo they said.

03-12-2011, 01:07 PM	#116
Skill377 Drives: 04 Toyota Camry Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 420	Oh this is very bad. Time to pray that everyone makes it out of there alive.

03-12-2011, 01:36 PM	#117
2ndgenz28 Thread Killer Drives: All Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NWO Toledo Area Posts: 4,720	I hate to say it but if you had to look for one, their 1 tiny sliver of a blessing is their prior experience with radiation caused health problems.

03-12-2011, 02:35 PM	#118
kwicslvr Drives: Waiting to see a vert in person Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 19	Hopefully I can clear up some misinformation hear about the nuclear facilities. First and for most the Unit 1 nuclear plant in Japan will not "explode". This plant is in no way like the chernobyl design. The uranium in almost all commercial facilities is only enriched to 3-5% uranium-235. For it to "explode" via nuclear detonation it must be enriched to >95%. Chernobyl was cooled by a source other than water which is what caused the explosion and not the fule itself. This boiling water reactor (BWR) in Japan is cooled by water. If it loses water inventory the metal fuel will get hot enough to melt (Three Mile Island) and that is it. The explosion seen earlier was due to a build up of hydrogen gas. This explosion blew off an outer shell of a building that actually houses the containment vessel which houses the reactor vessel which houses the fuel. As for back up power. All nuclear facilities, at least in the US and multiple forms of back up power supplies in case of a loss of power. First are diesel generators(multiples just in case) which from what I can gather failed to start or even run at the Japanesse plant. Next is a battery that is big enough to fill a small house. Not sure if they had this and if so why it failed. Iodine pills - this is being considered currently for people still in the local are and the workers. It has to be given within a certain period of time of a release of radioactive particles (Iodine-131) for it to be effective. IIRC within 4-6 hours of the release. A full release has not occured yet. A full release would require the fuel cladding to "melt", reactor vessel and/or associated piping to break and the containment building to break. It is possible to get minor releases but would create minimal if any issues to the public. Appears to be what has happened so far. Cooling - The primary means is are pumps that pump water through the reactor vessel and over the fuel to remove the heat. With a loss of all power, safety injection should of initiated, which it appear to of for Units 2 and 3 but not Unit 1. If cooling is not restored, core damage (meltdown) will occur and radioactive fission products will be released into the water that cools the core. I know there is more but feel free to post up any questiona and I will try to answer to the best of my abilility. Oh, and that whole "The Air Force is flying in coolant" from HRC...um coolant is nothing more than water! Why the hell we flying in water when they are surrounded by it!!! Only to find out later that was bogus info she was spouting. Helps if politicians and the media actually have people around them that know what the hell they are talking about.

03-13-2011, 07:32 AM	#120
kwicslvr Drives: Waiting to see a vert in person Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 19	The reason for the iodine pills is that the radioactive isotope I-131 deposits in the thyroid. The iodine pills saturate the thyroid with harmless non radioactive iodine, thus preventing I-131 from depositing in the thyroid and your body will biologically process it out of the body.

03-13-2011, 02:14 PM	#121
2ndgenz28 Thread Killer Drives: All Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NWO Toledo Area Posts: 4,720	" YouTube - Land Moving In EarthQuake In Japan & Land Is Sinking so due to the earthquake and tsunami it moved japan 2.4m east and also moved earth's axis 10" and now 2 more reactors are ****ing up."

03-14-2011, 01:33 AM	#122
2ndgenz28 Thread Killer Drives: All Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NWO Toledo Area Posts: 4,720	before and after quake images http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/ja...eforeafter.htm ----------------- http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm ---------------

03-14-2011, 02:36 AM	#126
midnighter Account Suspended Drives: nothing Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: a hole Posts: 17,904	Mother nature's power is so fierce.