2010 Mustang

[truth411]

Originally Posted by nester7929

Word. If the 4.6 with the track pack can get into the upper 4's, imagine what the 5.0 or ecoboost can do with it.

I'm starting to thing there will be virtually no performance differences between the GT and the SS by the time 2011 rolls around.

No deal, remeber what is optional on the mustang (track pack) is considered standard equipment on the Camaro SS. I still believe the camaro will still beat the mustang on a race track pretty easily. In a 1/4 mile drag race it will be close, pretty much a drivers race with a slight advantage to the Camaro in my Opinion. Remeber the 2011 Camaro gets optional 3.73 gears too, combined with 426hp and 420lbs of torque things are going to get interesting.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

again, the mustang crowd fails to make an educated attempt at arguments.


3572 lb . Thats how much this mustang weighs as a 5 speed (hahaha) manual.

Care to guess how much the Camaro weighs? Go ahead, lets get some numbers flying, how much is an SS 6 speed?


Then for the 2011 stang, go ahead and ad weight for safety equipment which they dont have, internals, and (god forbid) we might even think about factoring in the weight from an Independant Rear suspension...


At least 300 my ass.

The Camaro SS is 3860 from the official reports from Chevy. That's not a guess. And yeah, that's right at 300lbs. You may need to check your math, and your ass. The 2011 GT will have an aluminum block and 6 speeds(ha yourself) across the board. IRS is not in the Mustang's near future, probably not until 2014 or beyond. Keeps the weight down you see. There is no reason to believe the weight will go up dramatically, and it would have to be a dramatic increase to come close to the Camaro's weight as you surmise.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

The Camaro SS is 3860 from the official reports from Chevy. That's not a guess. And yeah, that's right at 300lbs. You may need to check your math, and your ass. The 2011 GT will have an aluminum block and 6 speeds(ha yourself) across the board. IRS is not in the Mustang's near future, probably not until 2014 or beyond. Keeps the weight down you see. There is no reason to believe the weight will go up dramatically, and it would have to be a dramatic increase to come close to the Camaro's weight as you surmise.

Wow you are a slow bunch. How is it that the Mustang, which will put on weight from:

A. the 5.0 engine

B. 6 speed tranny (ill believe it when i see it)

C. Safety regulations

come in More than 300lbs less than the Camaro, when the current lighter mustang isnt even 300lbs less.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Wow you are a slow bunch. How is it that the Mustang, which will put on weight from:

A. the 5.0 engine

B. 6 speed tranny (ill believe it when i see it)

C. Safety regulations

come in More than 300lbs less than the Camaro, when the current lighter mustang isnt even 300lbs less.

What makes you think the 5.0 will weigh more? It's still an aluminum block. You know, all the Camaro fanboys were saying that the 2010 was going to add 500lbs and that didn't happen did it? It's just wishful thinking on your part.

6 speeds will be standard across the board at Ford, and that includes the Mustang. Hell, by the time the Camaro comes out(now I'm hearing October?), the Mustang will have to 5.0. I'm saying the Mustang will have close to a 300lb advantage, you say they will be even. We'll see who's closer to the truth. I was right about the 2010 and I'll be right about the 2011.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=165

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=282

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

What makes you think the 5.0 will weigh more? It's still an aluminum block. You know, all the Camaro fanboys were saying that the 2010 was going to add 500lbs and that didn't happen did it? It's just wishful thinking on your part.

6 speeds will be standard across the board at Ford, and that includes the Mustang. Hell, by the time the Camaro comes out(now I'm hearing October?), the Mustang will have to 5.0. I'm saying the Mustang will have close to a 300lb advantage, you say they will be even. We'll see who's closer to the truth. I was right about the 2010 and I'll be right about the 2011.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=165

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=282

it didnt add ANYTHING. how could the 2010 model add weight?


The only thing the camaro boys are guilty of would be assuming ford wants to update their products in a timely manor to keep them productive and competitive

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

The Camaro SS is 3860 from the official reports from Chevy. That's not a guess. And yeah, that's right at 300lbs. You may need to check your math, and your ass. The 2011 GT will have an aluminum block and 6 speeds(ha yourself) across the board. IRS is not in the Mustang's near future, probably not until 2014 or beyond. Keeps the weight down you see. There is no reason to believe the weight will go up dramatically, and it would have to be a dramatic increase to come close to the Camaro's weight as you surmise.

First off, if you and Gator wanna get childish and call each other names take that garbage to PM sheesh.

As for weight vs. power. Let's see what really matters....

2010 Camaro - 3860 lbs / 426HP = 9 lbs per HP.

Mustang - How much will it weigh with that 6 speed and 5.0???? If you say 300lbs less....that's fine...how much HP???? Let's figure it in HP/lb and see?

I Googled and all I can find is "close to 400HP for the 2011 Mustang's 5.0". I have no idea if that's right or not but using that number and your 300 lbs less:

2011 Mustang - 3560 lbs/ 400HP = 8.9 lbs per hp

But we're all guessing on what a 2011 Mustang MIGHT have. GM will likely upgrade the HP on the Camaro in 2011 as well. So we should really compare 2010 models:

2010 Camaro 9.1 hp per pound of weight.

2010 Mustang 3572 lbs / 315HP = 11.3 lbs per HP = Mustang looses.

Heck, my supercharged V6 4Runner puts down 300HP. Mustang GT pffffft.

[Zabo]

:troll:

Good god did the Mustang fanboys come out of the woodwork. Looks like they also came to troll no less.

or

EDIT: Also, the 'October' date is the date that people that ordered in January or ordered over the dealer allotments would receive their vehicles. If you ordered last October you should be getting a Camaro in April. If you didn't order, then you can just buy one off the lot in April. That'd be the same day your precious Mustang arrives at your dealerships.

[96CAMaro]

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by Zabo

:troll:

Good god did the Mustang fanboys come out of the woodwork. Looks like they also came to troll no less.

or

EDIT: Also, the 'October' date is the date that people that ordered in January or ordered over the dealer allotments would receive their vehicles. If you ordered last October you should be getting a Camaro in April. If you didn't order, then you can just buy one off the lot in April. That'd be the same day your precious Mustang arrives at your dealerships.

If you're talking about me, I'm not the troll here. I'm not the one stooping to personal attacks here. I'm just trying to add a little bit of truth here with all this supposition from the Camaro camp. I happen to like both cars. I don't have to make things up to prove my point.

[Georgie]

the only way to prove anything is drive both cars straight up with whatever engine and configuration. this is all just silly forum warrioring and anyway i think all 3, challenger, camaro and mustang are awesome rides

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by Georgie

the only way to prove anything is drive both cars straight up with whatever engine and configuration. this is all just silly forum warrioring and anyway i think all 3, challenger, camaro and mustang are awesome rides

Agreed on all points.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

First off, if you and Gator wanna get childish and call each other names take that garbage to PM sheesh.

As for weight vs. power. Let's see what really matters....

2010 Camaro - 3860 lbs / 426HP = 9 lbs per HP.

Mustang - How much will it weigh with that 6 speed and 5.0???? If you say 300lbs less....that's fine...how much HP???? Let's figure it in HP/lb and see?

I Googled and all I can find is "close to 400HP for the 2011 Mustang's 5.0". I have no idea if that's right or not but using that number and your 300 lbs less:

2011 Mustang - 3560 lbs/ 400HP = 8.9 lbs per hp

But we're all guessing on what a 2011 Mustang MIGHT have. GM will likely upgrade the HP on the Camaro in 2011 as well. So we should really compare 2010 models:

2010 Camaro 9.1 hp per pound of weight.

2010 Mustang 3572 lbs / 315HP = 11.3 lbs per HP = Mustang looses.

Heck, my supercharged V6 4Runner puts down 300HP. Mustang GT pffffft.

Yeah I think the Mustang is destined to pick up some pounds in the future. I guess it will gain 100lbs if they put in a totally new drivetrain and better brakes and maybe more if they have to meet newer saftey regs (but they were deleayed)

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-pu...h-ratings.html

The Camaro and 370Z are ready, the mustang is living on borrowed times. But in anycase assuming it gets a 5.0 V8+ 6spd trannys+ larger Brakes to slow a 400hp car down= about 100 or slightly more weight increase. So 3572+100= 3672lbs divided by 400= 9.18 pounds per HP. I think it will be close, pretty much a drivers race with an adavatage to the camaro when equipt with 3.73 gears..

[kevin2323]

umm you guys know the skidpad is false, the stang was running on perrelis not stock tires........ahhhhh good ole ford marketing again.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by truth411

No deal, remeber what is optional on the mustang (track pack) is considered standard equipment on the Camaro SS. I still believe the camaro will still beat the mustang on a race track pretty easily. In a 1/4 mile drag race it will be close, pretty much a drivers race with a slight advantage to the Camaro in my Opinion. Remeber the 2011 Camaro gets optional 3.73 gears too, combined with 426hp and 420lbs of torque things are going to get interesting.

But the ecoboost will have 380 or so hp and will be a good bit lighter. The 5.0 will put out around 400, but will also be lighter due to no IRS. I think it'll be about dead even.