2010 Mustang

[PQ]

I was sold on the Camaro for sure. After reading that article I think I'll go with the Camaro.

[garagelogic]

Surprised me, for sure. I wonder what the numbers on the 2010 GT500 are going to look like if the GT has improved that much?

[meanmike]

Ive got 0-60 of 5sec with my G8 and 1/4 mile runs are 104 at 13.60 and weighs just shy of 4000lbs with 2.92 gears. So im not impressed.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Surprised me, for sure. I wonder what the numbers on the 2010 GT500 are going to look like if the GT has improved that much?

I don't know. 540 HP / 510 PFT is pretty badass but still no IRS. Starting at 45k+ you would think the rear suspension would get a makeover.

[Georgie]

iron block good for 800+HP. the SRA does its job when you are launching that rocket

[GatorBlue371]

Thats suprisingly good for a stang. However it leaves no question as to the dominance of the SS.

Its really too bad Ford value's drag times over ride quality.

"For spirited motoring, the track-tuned suspension is a welcome cohort. For cruising, though, its busy nature, certainly over uneven pavement, can grow tiresome."

[GothamCamaro]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I was sold on the Camaro for sure. After reading that article I think I'll go with the Camaro.

Ditto!

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Thats suprisingly good for a stang. However it leaves no question as to the dominance of the SS.

I agree, but then again, I don't think anyone here has suggested that the SS Camaro is not the better overall vehicle when doing a head-to-head comparison. I think, however, it does illustrate the fact that the gap between the two has likely been closed by Ford's 2010 Mustang GT offering. With heated seats to boot.

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Its really too bad Ford value's drag times over ride quality.

"For spirited motoring, the track-tuned suspension is a welcome cohort. For cruising, though, its busy nature, certainly over uneven pavement, can grow tiresome."

What too bad about it? They know their market and the car is tailored to that demographic. While it may be true for a few, I don't think the "ride quality" ratings are going to be significant factor in whether or not someone chooses between the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT. It might, however, cause a lot of women who currently drive Mustangs to swing over to the Camaro.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

I agree, but then again, I don't think anyone here has suggested that the SS Camaro is not the better overall vehicle when doing a head-to-head comparison. I think, however, it does illustrate the fact that the gap between the two has likely been closed by Ford's 2010 Mustang GT offering. With heated seats to boot.

What too bad about it? They know their market and the car is tailored to that demographic. While it may be true for a few, I don't think the "ride quality" ratings are going to be significant factor in whether or not someone chooses between the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT. It might, however, cause a lot of women who currently drive Mustangs to swing over to the Camaro.

I don't think anyone here is about to make an intelligent argument about the mustang Closing the gap on the SS.

And you think Drag capabilities have a higher relevance to the general public than ride quality?

Seriously?

How many people do you think would appreciate a higher ride quality? compare that to the amount of people who would ever seriously track the car, and you have the reason as to why this topic is not worth debating.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Thats suprisingly good for a stang. However it leaves no question as to the dominance of the SS.

Its really too bad Ford value's drag times over ride quality.

"For spirited motoring, the track-tuned suspension is a welcome cohort. For cruising, though, its busy nature, certainly over uneven pavement, can grow tiresome."

I don't know if you somehow missed it but the track pack is optional.

[nester7929]

Track pack with the 5.0. That's what I want to see.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

I don't think anyone here is about to make an intelligent argument about the mustang Closing the gap on the SS.

And you think Drag capabilities have a higher relevance to the general public than ride quality?

Seriously?

How many people do you think would appreciate a higher ride quality? compare that to the amount of people who would ever seriously track the car, and you have the reason as to why this topic is not worth debating.

I disagree. Almost any topic is worth debating, especially if the participants in the debate are capable of presenting their positions without having to resort to insults or personal attacks.

Based on the data we currently have available regarding the Camaro SS, the 2009 Mustang GT and the 2010 Mustang GT, it is quite easy to see that the Mustang has, indeed, narrowed the gap between the two cars. I never said it had closed the gap.

As for the percentage of people who would consider ride quality as a major factor in choosing between the Camaro and the Mustang, I would say that it is very small. Roughly the same percentage of buyers who really care if a vehice has an IRS or a SRA, as long as the prospective owner enjoys the overall feel of the car, IMHO.

Here is what a recent poll by Consumer Report's showed as the factors that matter most in their car buying decision, listed in order from most important to least important:

1 - Reliability / Dependability
2 – Exterior Styling
3 - Price / Cost to Buy
4 - Interior Comfort
5 - Value for the Money
6 - Fun to Drive
7 - Manufacturer’s Reputation
8 - Quality of Workmanship
9 - Engine Performance
10 - Road-holding / Handling
11 - Fuel Economy
12 - Storage & Cargo Capacity
13 - Ride Quality on Highway
14 - Durability / Long Lasting
15 - Safety Features
16 - Future Trade-In / Resale
17 - Length of Warranty
18 - Rebate / Incentive
19 - Discount / Value Package
20 - Environmentally Friendly Vehicle

[Blownhotrodder]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

I don't think anyone here is about to make an intelligent argument about the mustang Closing the gap on the SS.

And you think Drag capabilities have a higher relevance to the general public than ride quality?

Seriously?

How many people do you think would appreciate a higher ride quality? compare that to the amount of people who would ever seriously track the car, and you have the reason as to why this topic is not worth debating.

Gator, you dont buy a muscle car for ride quality. Garage is right, Ford knows their demographic and they want the solid axle. Though it may not be the best for handleing, it is the best for toughness, mechanical simplicity, and cost over the irs. Its gonna be fun watching and seeing just how much abuse the halfshafts on the irs SS can take.

[oldtransam]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Thats suprisingly good for a stang. However it leaves no question as to the dominance of the SS.

Its really too bad Ford value's drag times over ride quality.

I think you will find that a much more significant contributor to perceived "ride quality" is how the individual manufacturers tune their suspensions. Sporty cars have fairly stiff springs and shocks. From a "ride quality" standpoint, that tends to dominate the actual suspension configuration (and as production solid axle suspension setups go, the current Mustang's is about as good as they get...).

If anyone's ever driven a 350Z vs. a Mustang GT, the 350Z's ride is "brutal" in comparison. Has nothing to do with IRS vs. solid... it's just the way Nissan has tuned the car. As a SERIOUS sports car. Of course, heavier cars tend to ride better, too....

I applaud Ford for offering the more performance handling oriented buyers an option with the "Track Pack" on the 2010 car.

It will be very interesting to see how GM decides to tune the various Camaro models relative to competitors like the Challenger and the Mustang.