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Old 01-04-2011, 01:14 PM   #43
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I like your point here, and agree.

However, most Americans are obsessed with the past which is why this issue always comes up. For that matter, slavery gets dredged up almost every single day in America, and that was 150 years ago. Americans have a hard time moving on.
Not just Americans... Get this: during Xmas and New Years Eve parties, my dad always got into his army time stories and somehow ended up telling once again that his dad was killed by the Germans. He told us many times he hated everything German, yet... he drove nothing but "Opel" from when I was born until I was 19. When I pointed that out to him at the age of about 12, he never again said anything anti-German...

So, just to prove, it's not an all American thing to keep holding on way too heavy to something. I still like Minervas and other Belgian cars (this is a car forum after all, no??? LOL), but bar one (Gillet Vertigo) Belgian has gone far, far away from making their own brand of cars...
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:43 PM   #44
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Well said LostInMoscow. People are ignorant everywhere, Europeans appreciate balanced cars that can handle and Americans want to go straight and fast both a factor of the roads driven. I grew up here and have lived in Europe and Australia and I can tell you that what sets Americans apart in driving is NOT yielding to faster cars in the left lane. Everyone in the world respects that as a law of driving except here, and what drives me nuts is the look they give you when you finally pass. I feel that attitude of NOT moving to the right because you don't want too or cause you don't know is the attitude foreign people don't like about us.
Stationed in Germany and was in awe by the respect of the drivers.

We was in the left lane doing 135 mph and was *blinked* from a car that was at least a good mile or so back.Driver moved to middle lane and no more than a few minutes did the Porshe "whoosh" past us...that's exactly what it sounded like a "whoosh" .......

State side you practically have to pass the idiot in the "middle" lane to get over to the left.......................
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:48 PM   #45
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or it could be or foriegn policies to other countries for the past 40 yrs.
No other country in the history of the earth has done more to help other countries than us, both with the blood of our young and monetarily. Try looking up how much we give to other countries monetarily.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:50 PM   #46
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Stationed in Germany and was in awe by the respect of the drivers.

We was in the left lane doing 135 mph and was *blinked* from a car that was at least a good mile or so back.Driver moved to middle lane and no more than a few minutes did the Porshe "whoosh" past us...that's exactly what it sounded like a "whoosh" .......

State side you practically have to pass the idiot in the "middle" lane to get over to the left.......................
Try driving in Rome. . . You won't survive. LOL.
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:27 PM   #47
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I would be bitter too if I came from a continent that has given the world crap cars like the fiat or volkswagon!
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:28 AM   #48
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No other country in the history of the earth has done more to help other countries than us, both with the blood of our young and monetarily. Try looking up how much we give to other countries monetarily.
The european union spends more money aid for poor Countries (per person, not total), just to mention.

Try to see it from a different point of view:
The Generation whicht fought in WWII is very old now, most of them died.

There are many things in nearer future, for example the war in Iraq, Vietnam, the sponsorship of the Taliban by the CIA and so on, which werent really good for american publicity.
Now we Europeans have to fight with financial crisis, brought by the politics of the USA. (Even with stupidness of European Bankers).

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I would be bitter too if I came from a continent that has given the world crap cars like the fiat or volkswagon!
I even don´t like Fiat (but i love Volkswagen ) - but i see this also from another point: Try imagine automobile industrie without competition... We all would drive crappy cars.

And also the US automotive Industry built crappy cars.


Nevertheless, some of the US cars are great, some of the European cars are great.
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:30 AM   #49
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See, that is why a lot of Europeans do not like the U.S.: Some of you guys have an absolutely excessive addiction when it comes to patriotism. In my experience, usually those guys whine the most about freedom and pride, who never came out of their country. Honestly, do you believe that everyone outside America is living in candel-lit sheds, being bondslave, with only working and obeying the communist's party? Wake up, I can't see anything over here missing (according to freedom) that you guys have. In some cases, I dare to say that I live more freely than an average American. Hard to swallow, but it's the truth.

Oh dear, wasn't that thread about cars first? :P
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:42 AM   #50
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I would be bitter too if I came from a continent that has given the world crap cars like the fiat or volkswagon!
So, deducting from that...

You don't like Ferrari and Porsche ? (back on topic, aha !!!)
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See, that is why a lot of Europeans do not like the U.S.: Some of you guys have an absolutely excessive addiction when it comes to patriotism. In my experience, usually those guys whine the most about freedom and pride, who never came out of their country. Honestly, do you believe that everyone outside America is living in candel-lit sheds, being bondslave, with only working and obeying the communist's party? Wake up, I can't see anything over here missing (according to freedom) that you guys have. In some cases, I dare to say that I live more freely than an average American. Hard to swallow, but it's the truth.

Oh dear, wasn't that thread about cars first? :P
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:47 AM   #53
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Sorry, bro, we already have electricity. Running water and sewers will be invented next year, I've heard.
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:10 PM   #54
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iirc the Ferrari 599 uses GM sourced magnetic shocks
Just an FYI. Magneride was not developed by GM and the rights to the system are not, and never have been, owned by GM. The system was developed by Delphi after that company separated from GM and the rights to the design are now owned by BWI. GM was simply the first company to use the setup.
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:23 PM   #55
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Just an FYI. Magneride was not developed by GM and the rights to the system are not, and never have been, owned by GM. The system was developed by Delphi after that company separated from GM and the rights to the design are now owned by BWI. GM was simply the first company to use the setup.
True. No doubts there. It can't be overlooked, however, that GM and Delphi have a very close relationship as Manufacturer and Supplier. They've been the only company to utilize and integrate the system since it came out until about 2007 when a few other OEMs finally caught on.

Given this...while I'm not arguing who has rights to the system....I also don't doubt that GM assisted Delphi in the development of that system.

EDIT: I do wish GM DID have sole rights to the technology....then maybe it wouldn't have been bought by Chinese BWI.....
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