Car and Driver's Lightning Lap 2010

[bigearl]

I didn't say wider, I said make the front and rear the same- ergo less understeer.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by bigearl

I didn't say wider, I said make the front and rear the same- ergo less understeer.

i understand that, Im just saying maybe if the 5.0 had tires as wide as the Camaro (or wider) it would also do much better.

[sik68]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Whoever was their driver for this VIR test suck's as he is almost 6 seconds off the lap time the 2011 GT500 PP set earlier this year at VIR (2:58.48) when it beat the 2010 GS and was only .2 seconds behind the ZO6. Its not really worth get all worked up over these numbers since they were all put down by a driver who is 6 seconds slower a lap then the car is capable of which is a freaking eternity per lap.

article here
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-for...nds-video.html

I am aware of this laptime too, but there are some things about that video that indicate something is fishy. First, his peak speed down the front straight is 142mph compared with C&D's 137.9mph....that indicates a pretty big HP differential. Second, the PP vehicle appears very stiffly sprung...there are not many street cars out there that jump off curbing like that, not even the GT3 RS was reacting to curbing that way. It takes unstreetably high spring rates and stiff shocks to jump like it was doing. And last, that guy is drifting the car all over the place; he has good car control but wasn't that great at balancing the car in corner exits, which is where fast laps are made.

I still want to give all the credit in the world to the GT500, and I'd take one in a heartbeat.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by sik68

I am aware of this laptime too, but there are some things about that video that indicate something is fishy. First, his peak speed down the front straight is 142mph compared with C&D's 137.9mph....that indicates a pretty big HP differential. Second, the PP vehicle appears very stiffly sprung...there are not many street cars out there that jump off curbing like that, not even the GT3 RS was reacting to curbing that way. It takes unstreetably high spring rates and stiff shocks to jump like it was doing. And last, that guy is drifting the car all over the place; he has good car control but wasn't that great at balancing the car in corner exits, which is where fast laps are made.

I still want to give all the credit in the world to the GT500, and I'd take one in a heartbeat.

The Peak speed difference is also determined by the exit speed of the previous turn, not necessarily a difference in HP

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

i understand that, Im just saying maybe if the 5.0 had tires as wide as the Camaro (or wider) it would also do much better.

Of course it would do better with wider tires, pretty much every car they've tested there could do better with wider tires.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by TOBY J

.... but Clarkson drives and owns a Lambo Gallardo
overplayed? you see hundreds of vettes on the road daily while you might be lucky to see 1-2 ferraris or lambos.

And has said that he'd gladly buy a ZR1.

What I mean by overplayed is that everyone expects a Ferrari or Lamborghini to go fast. On the other hand, everyone is shocked when a Corvette smokes those Italian sports cars.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

And has said that he'd gladly buy a ZR1.

What I mean by overplayed is that everyone expects a Ferrari or Lamborghini to go fast. On the other hand, everyone is shocked when a Corvette smokes those Italian sports cars.

I wasn't.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

And has said that he'd gladly buy a ZR1.

What I mean by overplayed is that everyone expects a Ferrari or Lamborghini to go fast. On the other hand, everyone is shocked when a Corvette smokes those Italian sports cars.

whos gonna be shocked when a 638hp supercharged 6.2L 3300lbs corvette keeps up with other cars with similar specs???

[HeHasReturned]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

whos gonna be shocked when a 638hp supercharged 6.2L 3300lbs corvette keeps up with other cars with similar specs???

People who don't even know what hp is

Anyways, it's a shame they didn't run the 911 gt2rs. Probably couldn't get their hands on one

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by HeHasReturned

People who don't even know what hp is....

well, then who would care what those people think?

[TOBY J]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

And has said that he'd gladly buy a ZR1.

What I mean by overplayed is that everyone expects a Ferrari or Lamborghini to go fast. On the other hand, everyone is shocked when a Corvette smokes those Italian sports cars.

but he hasn't and still drives the gallardo. the zr1 is an awesome car but 95% of the people don't know it from any other vette.

"it's not how fast you go it's how well you go fast"

http://www.topgearrules.org/lamborgh...rari-f430.html


the UGR twin turbo Gallardo will smoke the ZR1

[HeHasReturned]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

well, then who would care what those people think?

Exactly

[syr74]

Originally Posted by bigearl

I didn't say wider, I said make the front and rear the same- ergo less understeer.

I'm betting GM sacrificed to improve steering feel. Wider front rubber would lessen the tendency to oversteer and likely improve absolute grip but it would also tend to numb the steering

[truth411]

Originally Posted by syr74

I'm betting GM sacrificed to improve steering feel. Wider front rubber would lessen the tendency to oversteer and likely improve absolute grip but it would also tend to numb the steering

I think you mean reduce the understeer, and judging by the aftermarket camaros (Pedder's camaro has 305s on all 4 corners) and Z28 spy shots larger front tires is not going to hurt anything. Have a slightly lower ride height, stiffen the suspension, 275 tires on all 4 corners, Cut copy and paste the G8 GXP steering as an optional suspension package with atleast 3.73 gears and Im sold.