The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

you compare how much $$ it takes to do that to how much a similar LS engine would be and be on your way.

Trying to figure out why you posted this .... w/ the GT500 already built from the factory, your cost would be fairly low ... blowerswap, a few upgrades and a tune ..

To achieve the same on the LS3, it will cost much more ....

Looking at MSRP for both though you will most likely spend more w/ the GT500 total cost ..

Either way .. both are fast cars and both have potential .. I never got the FORD vs CHEVY bitching .... right now how about we buy American and call it good !

Crowley

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by Georgie

i think they'll make it to 400HP easily because it will rev higher. my guess is torque will be 365-375. the 5.0 is replacing the 4.6/5.4 modular engine so production costs will go down once they retool plants to produce only the 5.0. the only V8s Ford will produce will be the 5.0 Coyote and the 6.2 BOSS, everything else will be duratec/ecoboost V6 and I4

I agree, I don't think they will have any issues hitting 400hp .. I believe with the OLD FR500 (99 - 04 body style), they had a 4.6L or 5.0L 4v running around w/ over 400 horses ... with newer tech, hitting this goal will NOT be an issue and still leave room for aftermarket ..

Crowley

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Crowley

Trying to figure out why you posted this .... w/ the GT500 already built from the factory, your cost would be fairly low ... blowerswap, a few upgrades and a tune ..

To achieve the same on the LS3, it will cost much more ....

Looking at MSRP for both though you will most likely spend more w/ the GT500 total cost ..

Either way .. both are fast cars and both have potential .. I never got the FORD vs CHEVY bitching .... right now how about we buy American and call it good !

Crowley

seriously?



the reason it was posted is because you take the Camaro MSRP (31k) and GT500 MSRP (42k) and you have 9k to drop on your LS engine pushing the HP WAY past 500 before you've spent the same as a STOCK GT500.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

seriously?



the reason it was posted is because you take the Camaro MSRP (31k) and GT500 MSRP (42k) and you have 9k to drop on your LS engine pushing the HP WAY past 500 before you've spent the same as a STOCK GT500.

Just what I said in my post .. howerver we are talking potential right??

Crowley

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

you compare how much $$ it takes to do that to how much a similar LS engine would be and be on your way.

It took me about $6000 to get over 800rwhp in my GT500 without just a blower swap. Tell me again what you would need to do to get 800rwhp out of an LS motor? (It's a trick question, I owned a LS2 GTO, so I know what it would take) $15K might get you there powerwise, but you're going to have to spend more than that to be able to get that power to the ground without breaking something.

[Grape Ape]

Originally Posted by Hesh

Like I said the page before. Its not that they cant do it or that the 5.0 wont come back. Due to Ford being a penny pinching, run by the bean counter company I dont think they will do it. For a long time they've gone with mass sales for lower cost. As it stands now the Mustang when optioned as closely as can be to the Camaro the cost difference is only $1500. I think with the new engine, and the weight savings we keep hearing about coming from them I dont see the engine being ramped out to those numbers. I think they will underpower it and let their aftermarket addons due the power upgrading for them. They will let the buyers make the higher hp for them, while making more money for themselves. Dont get me wrong my guess for power output of the engine is 385hp/360tq. That way they get close to the competiton, can keep R&D down, and dont have to wind that motor up to the roof to make the power output they want. Of course this is just as much hearsay as what we have heard from anyone else.

I think we will see the Mustang's MSRP drop (or the value rise) this year. Now that Ford has some competition in this market segment again they will have to give up some of their margin, because (most of you will agree that) the SS is more than $1500 better than a similarly equipped GT.

And if Ford can keep the weight down, 385/360 could be competitive.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

It took me about $6000 to get over 800rwhp in my GT500 without just a blower swap. Tell be again what you would need to do to get 800rwhp out of an LS motor? (It's a trick question, I owned a LS2 GTO, so I know what it would take) $15K might get you there powerwise, but you're going to have to spend more than that to be able to get that power to the ground without breaking something.

To my knowladge the LS3 has higher capabilities than the LS2.


And with 15k, id dust your GT500.

[Hesh]

Exactly and it being competitive is the name of the game it doesnt have to beat it. Just come in close to it, and keep the cost down. Thats how Ford's done it for many, many years. The pricing that I have seen for the 2010 model, not a discounted 2009 model the difference was only $1500. The Mustang gives up alot for just a $1500 price difference. To keep them rpm down I think they will drop it below the 400hp number. The numbers going around now is it has a 7000rpm redline. Drop that about 200 or 300rpm, lose a little power but still be close and come in at or below cost and Ford will keep the Mustang fans happy. The only other thing I dont see happening is keeping the weight down at its current level. Be ready to see the Mustang come in heavier then its current weight. It gained weight, not much I think less than 50lbs, but gained weight just changing over body panels to the 2010. Now add a new engine, transmission, and the newest safety standards the weight is coming. Just how much they can shave off and is that cost going to be passed on to the buyer. Then again add weight add hp and keep cost down. Knowing Fords past I say add the weight, hp, and keep the cost down.

[CaptianSam]

so our camaro comes with 426 hp and 3800 est weight...
mustang is coming with 5.0 and around 400 hp est and 3300 est weight
(estimates)

now considering the camaro is in every way a better car...
just reading the motortrend of the camparo of the chally mustang gt track pack and camaro ss...

whats going to happen when the 5.0 comes?

will the mustang outspeed the camaro?
i would still never buy a "found on road dead" because of build quality and i have owned plenty ford and the only one ive ever been happy with is my edge(which i am waiting for it to fail)
but i cant help but think... will the 5.0 liter outspeed the camaro... it already a photofinish according to motortrend... but the mustang has a card under the table thats coming out next year...

opinions?

[Georgie]

if you do you might be first on race day

the edge should work out just fine for you

[GatorBlue371]

wtf??



3300lbs?



right.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

wtf??



3300lbs?



right.

While I'll submit it will be lighter than the Camaro...but it's certainly not going to get any lighter than it already is (especially not if they're adding more power)....


But as for the rest of your post....there's always room to improve, I think. And though I see the Mustang edging for first place next model year....this isn't "it" for the Camaro.

[crazz28]

Originally Posted by CaptianSam

whats going to happen when the 5.0 comes?

We'll have some competition!!

I agree with the above two about the 3300lbs, if they want to build a car that can handle that new engine then it'll most likely be around the same weight as the camaro, but most likely a touch less.

(Current GT weight + GT500 weight) / 2 = 5.0 weight, that's my guess

[DGthe3]

Those who expect the 5.0 stang to be 3300 lbs with a 400 hp engine are in the same mindset as those who expected a 436 hp Camaro weighing in at 3600 lbs.

Also, I doubt it will be making 400 ft lbs. 400 hp is a stretch but I can believe it. But 400 ft lbs to go with it? That will make it a pretty highly tuned engine, something that goes against the nature of cars like the Mustang.