Car and Driver hates the Challenger - Page 3

Speedy1975 · 01-21-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin2323

its fast in a straight line like all muscle cars should....

In 1972 when leaf springs and drum brakes were the norm. This is 2009. More is expected from a vehicle these days.

I considered a Challenger myself. I love the way they look style wise and they have some nice features.

Turn offs for me were:
1. PRICE - the SRT8 (required to get 400HP+ which I want) was $$$$ at well over $40K
2. Gas mileage is awful
3. Poor handling has been mentioned in every single review of the car.

Those three things were enough for me to wait. Glad I did, the Camaro will get 23MPG, have good if not great handling, 426HP, and cost $10K less. Can't complain there.

P.S. I'm no fanboy either. I drive a Honda and a Toyota currently so I have no loyalty to GM to cloud my opinions.

kevin2323 · 01-21-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

In 1972 when leaf springs and drum brakes were the norm. This is 2009. More is expected from a vehicle these days.

I considered a Challenger myself. I love the way they look style wise and they have some nice features.

Turn offs for me were:
1. PRICE - the SRT8 (required to get 400HP+ which I want) was $$$$ at well over $40K
2. Gas mileage is awful
3. Poor handling has been mentioned in every single review of the car.

Those three things were enough for me to wait. Glad I did, the Camaro will get 23MPG, have good if not great handling, 426HP, and cost $10K less. Can't complain there.

P.S. I'm no fanboy either. I drive a Honda and a Toyota currently so I have no loyalty to GM to cloud my opinions.

I agree with you....but for it's weight and size it handles pretty good with a .86-.87 skid.......it should be the main concern about the challenger but it isnt a big flop or anything,

craigd853 · 01-21-2009, 05:24 PM

Guys, guys, guys! This is a camaro web site, are we not supposed to critisize other models? I've owned a camaro since 1983 and like many other people have waited patiently for this new car. My current car is a 1999 SS and I can't wait to get my hands on this new car. Having said all of the above, the challenger is a very sharp car but with the times being what they are, and the auto maunfactures having to appeal to a broader market I whole heartedly believe that this is the car. The comment made in the previous threads are, dollar for dollar the camaro is a much better buy than the challenger is as far as what your getting for your money. Now, lets all go out and kick some ricer A??.

TheCaptain · 01-21-2009, 08:22 PM

Not to mention, Chevy is marketing the Camaro as a sports car, not mentioning the muscle car word anywhere eh?
Sports cars can turn... muscle cars can too, if your next to stopped. My 91 Caprice fits in the Muscle car class; if it had more power, and two less doors! lol

kevin2323 · 01-21-2009, 08:28 PM

heritage sells

TheCaptain · 01-21-2009, 08:34 PM

Yea, especially those just wishing to go back to the good old days. Well, they got it with the Chally! Except now they have power steering, power windows, ABS, airbags and XM Satellite radio. LOL!

kevin2323 · 01-21-2009, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCaptain

Yea, especially those just wishing to go back to the good old days. Well, they got it with the Chally! Except now they have power steering, power windows, ABS, airbags and XM Satellite radio. LOL!

0-60 in 4.7 sec

IRS
skidpad in .86-87
superior handling to the almighty mustang
and THE HEMI!

TheCaptain · 01-21-2009, 08:55 PM

Well, considerably better then the old days. I don't know what i'd do without my XM!

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-21-2009, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin2323

0-60 in 4.7 sec

IRS
skidpad in .86-87
superior handling to the almighty mustang
and THE HEMI!

But it still bumps around like a boat at sea.

j.k.

TheCaptain · 01-21-2009, 09:33 PM

Since when is the mustang almighty? Just cuz it survived? lol

kevin2323 · 01-21-2009, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCaptain

Well, considerably better then the old days. I don't know what i'd do without my XM!

you mean your nitelight aka ambient lighting

*DGthe3* · 01-21-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin2323

heritage sells

to those that are old enough to remember the 70's, which is the Challenger's target market.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin2323

0-60 in 4.7 sec
good for them. what does the R/T do though? Ya know, the one thats priced the the SS.

IRS
yup, +1 vs Mustang. Even with Camaro
skidpad in .86-87
0.865 isn't much to be proud of these days for a performance vehicle
superior handling to the almighty mustang
well, if you're gonna set the bar that low . . .
and THE HEMI!
bravo to Mopar marketing. Besides the name its much closer to a GM LS engine than a real Hemi. Take that as you will

Its ok Kevin. We kid because we care. Or at least, that is what I'm supposed to say

kevin2323 · 01-21-2009, 11:03 PM

WHY MUST ALL OF YOU POOP ON MY PARADE.....IM GOING BACK TO THE 70+ OLD FORUM...lol

*Milk 1027* · 01-21-2009, 11:46 PM

poop

01-21-2009, 08:22 PM	#32
TheCaptain N7 Spectre Drives: 14 ATS Performance 3.6L AWD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 2,732 View My Garage	Not to mention, Chevy is marketing the Camaro as a sports car, not mentioning the muscle car word anywhere eh? Sports cars can turn... muscle cars can too, if your next to stopped. My 91 Caprice fits in the Muscle car class; if it had more power, and two less doors! lol __________________

01-21-2009, 08:34 PM	#34
TheCaptain N7 Spectre Drives: 14 ATS Performance 3.6L AWD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 2,732 View My Garage	Yea, especially those just wishing to go back to the good old days. Well, they got it with the Chally! Except now they have power steering, power windows, ABS, airbags and XM Satellite radio. LOL! __________________

01-21-2009, 08:55 PM	#36
TheCaptain N7 Spectre Drives: 14 ATS Performance 3.6L AWD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 2,732 View My Garage	Well, considerably better then the old days. I don't know what i'd do without my XM! __________________

01-21-2009, 09:33 PM	#38
TheCaptain N7 Spectre Drives: 14 ATS Performance 3.6L AWD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 2,732 View My Garage	Since when is the mustang almighty? Just cuz it survived? lol __________________

01-21-2009, 11:46 PM	#42
Milk 1027 Camaro➎ moderator Drives: '13 BLK 1LE Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 13,567 View My Garage	poop __________________

01-21-2009, 05:24 PM	#31
craigd853 Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MD Posts: 203	Guys, guys, guys! This is a camaro web site, are we not supposed to critisize other models? I've owned a camaro since 1983 and like many other people have waited patiently for this new car. My current car is a 1999 SS and I can't wait to get my hands on this new car. Having said all of the above, the challenger is a very sharp car but with the times being what they are, and the auto maunfactures having to appeal to a broader market I whole heartedly believe that this is the car. The comment made in the previous threads are, dollar for dollar the camaro is a much better buy than the challenger is as far as what your getting for your money. Now, lets all go out and kick some ricer A??.

01-21-2009, 08:28 PM	#33
kevin2323 Drives: challenger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: miami Posts: 2,338	heritage sells

01-21-2009, 11:03 PM	#41
kevin2323 Drives: challenger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: miami Posts: 2,338	WHY MUST ALL OF YOU POOP ON MY PARADE.....IM GOING BACK TO THE 70+ OLD FORUM...lol

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