Toyota > GM

diddiyo · 01-21-2009, 09:25 AM

http://jalopnik.com/5135887/toyota-o...gest-automaker

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Moments ago, GM announced 2008 global auto sales. With 8.35 million vehicles sold, the automaker fell 620,000 short of Toyota's 8.97 million 2008 car and truck sales. Toyota is now officially the world's largest automaker.

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SilverTurtle · 01-21-2009, 09:29 AM

GM was the largest auto maker for, basically, 100 years... lets see how long Toyota's reign lasts

ArcAngel · 01-21-2009, 10:03 AM

I don't care about that right now I rather have a leaner, meaner, greater more profitable GM than the biggest watered down version thats struggling to survive

*The_Blur* · 01-21-2009, 10:48 AM

Now let's subtract recalls and see what the difference is. With that Camry recall they had last year subtracted, the numbers almost match, so it might be safe to say that GM made more cars that work than Toyota.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-21-2009, 11:40 AM

They're still #1 in the US...and they'll be the world leader again within years.
Not to mention their vehicles are already better than Toyotas.

I agree with ArcAngel, but frankly, they better enjoy it while it lasts. Lousy company....

stovt001 · 01-21-2009, 12:28 PM

No big deal. There is entropy at the top. Get big, get ambitious, get cocky, and you fall. We're seeing it already where they're coasting on reputation alone and quality and reliability are slipping fast. Enjoy the title Toyota. It put GM in a world of hurt while they had it and I'm sure we'll all enjoy a smaller, more beautiful GM.

Speedy1975 · 01-21-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

They're still #1 in the US...and they'll be the world leader again within years.
Not to mention their vehicles are already better than Toyotas.

I agree with ArcAngel, but frankly, they better enjoy it while it lasts. Lousy company....

Why do you say that? I've owned several and have had VERY good results with Toyotas. My current 4Runner has NEVER had a single repair in 7 years. I've not even had to change the brakes or factory tires yet at 75K miles. Just fluid changes and normal maintenance, which I'm very anal about. I've even Supercharged the thing adding 100HP over stock.

Previous Toyotas include 2 Tacoma 4x4 TRD V6s and a 1991 4x4 PU. All of which were reliable beyond belief.

I'm not wanting to start an import vs. support the US debate, just curious why you think Toyota is a lousy company?

Sizzox · 01-21-2009, 01:03 PM

Well now GM's Ed Peper promises Chevrolet will gain market share in 2009 just put up on Autoblog.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-21-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I'm not wanting to start an import vs. support the US debate, just curious why you think Toyota is a lousy company?

I said domestic quality is higher than import quality (a more accurate statement would be equal or higher)...but that's not to say import quality is bad. In fact, it's more of a grudging compliment.

As for the 'lousy company' comment...Toyota, to me, symbolizes everything that's wrong with our market and society. And they're the flag-bearer for the import invasion that's taken place in North American the past 3 decades. Although those reasons are meaningless on the world stage, I still despise them throroughly.

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Originally Posted by Sizzox

Well now GM's Ed Peper promises Chevrolet will gain market share in 2009 just put up on Autoblog.

I look forward to seeing his prediction come true! With their current products being refreshed, they should easily earn some more market back...and the Camaro is a step into a a NEW segment for Chevy...so that'll help.

Speedy1975 · 01-21-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

As for the 'lousy company' comment...Toyota, to me, symbolizes everything that's wrong with our market and society. And they're the flag-bearer for the import invasion that's taken place in North American the past 3 decades. Although those reasons are meaningless on the world stage, I still despise them throroughly.

That's what I want to know about. Educate me on this as I have no idea what you mean. PM if need be. I've never really followed Toyota (or GM for that matter) corporate policy. I bought a 1992 GMC Sonoma for my first car back in 1992. This was due to the embargo that Japan placed on US vehicles and I wanted to support the US back then. Since a lot of the foreign car makers now have a huge presence in the US, I no longer see it as an us vs. them affair, but instead more of a competition for all.

stovt001 · 01-21-2009, 06:13 PM

Yeah your Toyota is a 2002 model. Try something built after 05. The later the model, the more you can see the steady quality slide. I worked at a Toyota dealer in 07, during the Summer of Endless Recalls.

FenwickHockey65 · 01-21-2009, 07:16 PM

Like I've always said, it's better to be #2 and build quality products than #1 and build useless crap.

Speedy1975 · 01-21-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Yeah your Toyota is a 2002 model. Try something built after 05. The later the model, the more you can see the steady quality slide. I worked at a Toyota dealer in 07, during the Summer of Endless Recalls.

Interesting. This I hadn't known about.

FenwickHockey65 · 01-21-2009, 09:33 PM

Toyota was already having problems before 2005.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/feb...ess/fi-toyota9

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Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	They're still #1 in the US...and they'll be the world leader again within years. Not to mention their vehicles are already better than Toyotas. I agree with ArcAngel, but frankly, they better enjoy it while it lasts. Lousy company.... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-21-2009, 12:28 PM	#6
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	No big deal. There is entropy at the top. Get big, get ambitious, get cocky, and you fall. We're seeing it already where they're coasting on reputation alone and quality and reliability are slipping fast. Enjoy the title Toyota. It put GM in a world of hurt while they had it and I'm sure we'll all enjoy a smaller, more beautiful GM. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

01-21-2009, 06:13 PM	#11
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Yeah your Toyota is a 2002 model. Try something built after 05. The later the model, the more you can see the steady quality slide. I worked at a Toyota dealer in 07, during the Summer of Endless Recalls. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

01-21-2009, 09:29 AM	#2
SilverTurtle Reality Check Specialist Drives: '02 Z28, 2012 45th SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATX Posts: 1,730	GM was the largest auto maker for, basically, 100 years... lets see how long Toyota's reign lasts __________________ got tequila?

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FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2023 Expedition Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,375 View My Garage	Like I've always said, it's better to be #2 and build quality products than #1 and build useless crap. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2023 Ford Expedition SSV (State-Issued)

01-21-2009, 09:33 PM	#14
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2023 Expedition Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,375 View My Garage	Toyota was already having problems before 2005. http://articles.latimes.com/2002/feb...ess/fi-toyota9 __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2023 Ford Expedition SSV (State-Issued)

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