Ever Driven a Hybrid????

[nick at night]

Originally Posted by Number 3

First, yes I've driven many of the Hybrids on the market and have even had the chance to drive the new Chevrolet Volt, which, by the way, should be going to dealers next month.

Yes, they get very good mileage. Most Hybrids get close to "sqare" milage, meaning the city and highway numbers are nearly equal. This is because a Hybrid only has battery power sufficient for up to about 25 mph, slow acceleration, no hill or grade climbing. Once you do these the engine is required. On the highway, the engine is required and the electric motors only provide supplemental power. So the advantage is mostly around town, but both are improved.

This is one of the advantages the Volt has over a conventional Hybrid. It can be drven as a pure EV. You can climb grades, go on the highway, etc. all on the battery and electric motor.

The only concerns regarding Hybrids are around the battery. Yes, GM and Nissan have given generous warranties on the battery. But every Hybrid or EV has at least a 100 pound or in the EV case 400 pound battery. Unless there is a real recycling process in place, where will all these batteries go? Today, a VERY small percentage of the market is Hybrids. Once CAFE hits in the out years, you will likely see that go up. The other is simply the cost of the battery and the thermal management of the battery. It adds huge $$$ to the costs. It can be the equivalent of replacing an engine.

But the Hybrids I've driven, it's basically invisible. You hear the engine start but you don't feel it. Essentially seemless.

I'm not a hater, btw, just a realist. Tired the "organization of concerned scientists" or whatever that claim it's the greatest thing ever. I'll say it's pretty cool, as long as you are willing to pay much more money for your car.

Also, keep in mind the europeans have diesels that rival gas powered Hybrids. So for them, to add the costs associated with a Hybrid, is not as financially viable.

Depending on how much you add to the costs, there is simply the emotional aspects of using less fuel. It is the equivalent in some circles to the guys that want every single HP they can get from their Camaro. The price of gas, I think, needs to be over $4 per gallon to get any kind of payback for the added costs.

The added costs are that every function on you Hybrid has to work electrically. The power steering and brakes for example now have to be electric.

I don't think hybrid technology is the answer. Not in it's current state. Not with current battery technology. That's really the big problem, the battery. Right now you can only get so much power out of a battery and they can only be re-charged so many times before they need to be replaced. There need to be huge advancements before they are the "solution" to gas.

It makes me sad to think that one day we may very well run out of oil and that all our ICE's may be relegated to the junkyards.... That is probably far enough away that my great great great great grandchildren will probably not see it but it still makes me sad.

SO.... Hybrid tech may be the solution in the far future, but right now it is under cooked.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by nick at night

I don't think hybrid technology is the answer. Not in it's current state. Not with current battery technology. That's really the big problem, the battery. Right now you can only get so much power out of a battery and they can only be re-charged so many times before they need to be replaced. There need to be huge advancements before they are the "solution" to gas.

It makes me sad to think that one day we may very well run out of oil and that all our ICE's may be relegated to the junkyards.... That is probably far enough away that my great great great great grandchildren will probably not see it but it still makes me sad.

SO.... Hybrid tech may be the solution in the far future, but right now it is under cooked.

In my opinion hybrids and plug in electrics are not the answer. I don't agree with everything in this video but I do agree with a lot of it.

[Number 3]

Hydrogen is great. It's just not cheap. GM is working with Hawaii where they actually have to produce their own natural gas and hydrogen is a by product of that process.

Fuel cells have come down in cost substantially and in size as well. But like most other alternatives, you have to get past the fact that they are more expensive than oil and no on is willing to pony up for the infrastructure.

Cool stuff though......very cool.

[Zabo]

Yeah, but I just floored it and did the 'Hybrid delete'..

[nick at night]

That was very interesting. I was aware of hydrogen fuel cells for cars but I didn't know that they were efficient enough yet. And, like the video said, hydrogen will not likely run out anytime during Human lifespan. Interesting for sure, i really like the way Jay puts it; the hydrogen cell saving the gas for our Camaro's lol