Lookout Z28 & GT500 Dodge MAY have a answer for you!

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

I'll admit I skipped over this last 130+ replies because of all the bickering so please forgive me for this question.

Has there been any quotes or links to this contact stating that this is a go?

Reason why I ask is with all my searching, the only mentioning by Chrysler I can find is from 2 years ago in a press release at a car show stating that the V10 Challenger is for show purposes only and will not go into production. So is this a go or does this still stand?

There has been nothing posted to make any rational person think there will be a Dodge produced factory Viper V10 Challenger. The only link provided is to http://www.ontariostreetcar.com/ , which has a virus/popup spam on the homepage in IE8. The mods should have noticed this and removed any link to the domain, but did not.

What little content this site does have is just reposts and rumors from autoblog/motortrend/etc.

[YLWJKT]

I've got a good friend who is still with Chrysler, been there over 20 years through all of the shit. He's very doubtful that a V10 Challenger will ever see production for a number of reasons, but cost was one of the main ones.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

I've got a good friend who is still with Chrysler, been there over 20 years through all of the shit. He's very doubtful that a V10 Challenger will ever see production for a number of reasons, but cost was one of the main ones.

I agree with your 'insider'. Viper sales were very poor in 2010. Throwing the same engine into a 20-30K cheaper non sports car makes no sense. With the depression we're in very few can afford such a proposed car.

The American public, with their recent billion+ dollar bailout of Chrysler, should not be subsidizing 600 horsepower cars for a few hundred people to enjoy. Chrylser can't even show sustainability yet, much less an excess of money that would let them throw money away on V10 Challengers.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by assasinator

because i could post up challenger kills on my bicycle.

Really? Down here most stock / semi stock GT's get their asses handed to them by R/T's regularly. Let alone get raped by an SRT8.

Whats a mid 90's GT run stock? Mid 15's?

And the last gen of GT's before the '11 5.0 ran what? High 13's?

Just curious, what kind of times you turning in that turbo Stang?

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by alrox

I agree with your 'insider'. Viper sales were very poor in 2010. Throwing the same engine into a 20-30K cheaper non sports car makes no sense. With the depression we're in very few can afford such a proposed car.

The American public, with their recent billion+ dollar bailout of Chrysler, should not be subsidizing 600 horsepower cars for a few hundred people to enjoy. Chrylser can't even show sustainability yet, much less an excess of money that would let them throw money away on V10 Challengers.

The question of hp is irrelevant.
The question is: is there a market for high performance cars. The answer to that for more than just a few hundred people, at least currently, is YES!
Hence the 6.4 in the new SRT8, the new 5.0 in the GT Mustang and the upcoming Z28.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

The question of hp is irrelevant.
The question is: is there a market for high performance cars. The answer to that for more than just a few hundred people, at least currently, is YES!
Hence the 6.4 in the new SRT8, the new 5.0 in the GT Mustang and the upcoming Z28.

The only question is can it be profitable. If the answer is yes, then it should be a go. hell if it is break even they should do it for PR reasons.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

The only question is can it be profitable. If the answer is yes, then it should be a go. hell if it is break even they should do it for PR reasons.

My understanding is exactly that, the cost to tool up and run a V10 Challenger vs what expected profits are is a deal killer.
With only x amount of capital available currently, the prudent decision is to build cars that sell, in volume, that are profitable.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

My understanding is exactly that, the cost to tool up and run a V10 Challenger vs what expected profits are is a deal killer.
With only x amount of capital available currently, the prudent decision is to build cars that sell, in volume, that are profitable.

If it isn't profitable then Dodge shouldn't do it. It's that simple.

They aren't in a position for a PR run car at a loss.

Such is life. I'd like to see one regardless

[kevin2323]

my INSIDER says there is a 7th engine to come out for the challenger. and it coincides with the snippet of fiat president saying the challenger will do 0-60 in the 3s.

only logical explanation would be a higher hp engine for the challenger. which then coincides with my sources 7th engine confirmation. which then goes to the challenger srt10 concept. which then explains the 0-60 in the 3s comment. so whether its the v10 or sc 6.4 or 7.0l 426 it is getting a 7th engine.

the fact is a 300-400 limited run srt10 viper powered challenger is very real possiblity and could cost 90k to replace the viper during its hiatus until it returns in 2012.

good luck countering ^ that statement folks.

[YLWJKT]

But that's all it is; a "statement".
You present absolutely no facts to support it.
The alleged "mystery 7th engine" is an aluminum blocked 6.4.
There will not be a V10 Challenger next year.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

The question of hp is irrelevant.
The question is: is there a market for high performance cars. The answer to that for more than just a few hundred people, at least currently, is YES!
Hence the 6.4 in the new SRT8, the new 5.0 in the GT Mustang and the upcoming Z28.

False. The answer is NO. The market for high performance cars is far down from their peaks just a few years ago. Challenger sales have always been low. Sales of the Corvette and Viper are virtually nonexistant anymore.

V10 Challenger makes no financial sense since it would sell so few copies at even the bare minimum biased, internet math price we can come up with.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

my INSIDER says

You have no insder. You're a young adult who wants his toys without reality getting in the way.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by alrox

False. The answer is NO. The market for high performance cars is far down from their peaks just a few years ago. Challenger sales have always been low. Sales of the Corvette and Viper are virtually nonexistant anymore.

V10 Challenger makes no financial sense since it would sell so few copies at even the bare minimum biased, internet math price we can come up with.

I think you miss my point;
High end cars like the Vette and Viper?
I agree, however more moderately priced, say below $50k performance cars still have a good market appeal. Cars like the GT500, the Z28 and the SRT8 sell fairly well, even in this down economy.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

I think you miss my point;
High end cars like the Vette and Viper?
I agree, however more moderately priced, say below $50k performance cars still have a good market appeal. Cars like the GT500, the Z28 and the SRT8 sell fairly well, even in this down economy.

GT500 is selling well I agree. Z28 doesn't exist and the current SRT8's should stop selling now that they've announced a more powerful and less expensive version. However, considering how few SRT8 Challengers they do build, it's hard to find the exact options you want and many will settle on color/transmission.

Only the SRT8 fits your category of 'below $50k performance cars' though. Corvettes are readily available below $50k new.