R&T 'vette GS vs GT500

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Price as TESTED means they optioned the GS damn near to Z06 prices.. which, if it had of been a Z06.. there would have been no question as to who the winner was. ONCE AGAIN.. OPTIONED.

Point is U can't compare prices of optioned cars as tho it were a determinant. U compare base prices

But if both cars were optioned the same.. than it would appear that the cheapest one would be the better buy

And you get what you pay for.. and the GT500 interior is way better than the GS

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Pulley swap and tune

And imho the curb weight advantage of 460lb towards the GS makes up for the GT500 higher bhp

So the point about the GT500 being more powerful is moot

And I agree with the Fact that if you was to put another 13k into the GT500.. it will murder almost everything on the road.. shit all it takes is 5

it negates both.. the advantages of one run counter to the disadvantages of the other. End the end scenario.. a Pully Swap on a Vette would CONTINUE to murder anything on the road.

Hell.. a simple upgrade of $2K over this tested GS and U have a Z06.. which has murdered almost everything on the road.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

so you take one video as axiom?



how about we do a little real world math:

2011 gt500 weight: 3820
2011 cts-v coupe: 4255

2011 gt500 hp: 550
2011 cts-v hp: 556


are you going to tell me that by some magic... the cts-v coupe is making up for 435lbs of weight with only 6hp?


what your seeing in the video is exactly what motor trend wants, you to get all excited that you bought the better car. next month, the gt500 will win so the other side gets theirs.



dont be a dullard when it comes to believing what you see on the internet... makes you to be a fan boy.



p.s. the only advantage that the cts-v series actually carries that helps with 0-60 and 1/4 miles is the gearing...

first gear on a cts-v coupe is 4.15 with a 4.05 final!


hope you like your 12mpg...

Look here money.. the V beat the GT500 in that video.. and based on every performance number I've see posted by the two cars.

As for the Fuel Economy of my 2-3K mile a year Cadillac "Toy"... I effin LOVE the 12/18 MPG. I don't even notice the fuel gauge until it says LOW FUEL.

I bought the V6 Camaro to feel like I was being GREEN

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I bet you believed Motor Trend in the video when they only got a 12.7 or whatever out of the GT500 when comparing it to the SS.

The 3mph advantage the GT500 has lets you know which one has the most potential in stock form.

I thought it was ROAD and TRACK.

And the CTS-V Sedan got 12.2 @ 119 mph in the 1/4 mile from Car and Driver as well.

I'm sorry if a 4door Cadillac Luxury car is out there whipping the ass of the lighter Mustang GT500... I kno it damages your ego here on this Camaro/Chevy forum that U troll... but deal with it.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I thought it was ROAD and TRACK.

And the CTS-V Sedan got 12.2 @ 119 mph in the 1/4 mile from Car and Driver as well.

I'm sorry if a 4door Cadillac Luxury car is out there whipping the ass of the lighter Mustang GT500... I kno it damages your ego here on this Camaro/Chevy forum that U troll... but deal with it.

Off topic:
Efing love the CTS-V.. really can't wait till I finish med school

I had a Dream I was driving one.. it was IOM with white walls.. (yes I was dreaming)

But I'll definitely rock a IOM CTS-V

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I thought it was ROAD and TRACK.

And the CTS-V Sedan got 12.2 @ 119 mph in the 1/4 mile from Car and Driver as well.

I'm sorry if a 4door Cadillac Luxury car is out there whipping the ass of the lighter Mustang GT500... I kno it damages your ego here on this Camaro/Chevy forum that U troll... but deal with it.

pre 2011 GT500s run 11s stock from the factory at over 121mph.

Where has the CTS-V ever done that?

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

pre 2011 GTs run 11s stock from the factory at over 121mph.

Where has the CTS-V ever done that?

On that note.. I rather seat in a V than a mustang

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

On that note.. I rather seat in a V than a mustang

That isn't the question.

I want to see where CTS-Vs have run 11s in stock trim?

I won't be holding my breathe.

[Sax1031]

BTW I love a good clean fun Ford vs Chevy argument.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

That isn't the question.

I want to see where CTS-Vs have run 11s in stock trim?

I won't be holding my breathe.

One of them bone stock.. just a hair

11.997@ 118.45 mph

Link

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

One of them bone stock.. just a hair

11.997@ 118.45 mph

Link

My guess is when the weather cools down and Evan takes the 2011 GT500 back to the track he will be able to get 11.7 @ 122 mph out of it stock.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

I think the wrong emphasis is being placed on the price. I, personally, am not saying that the GT500 is better because of the price.

I am simply saying with these two cars specifically, I expect the Vette to be faster, better. Because you are paying for it.


Also,, food for thought, look at the trap speeds. That is a good indication of who has more room for improvement on ET in the 1/4 mile.

Both are great cars. If the Vette would get a facelift, and an interior change, i would be more inclined to want one, but as of right now, the GT500 has more of my attention. Both are out of my price range at the moment. Maybe in about 5 years, when I get rid of some debt and save up some money. I might be looking more at these cars.

This thread is so long because everyone expects a runaway victory by the more pricey 2-seater. The GT500 has matched or surpassed the vette's performance while retaining it's advantage over the vette in everyday liveability. Trap speeds indicate the Shelby has more power (i.e. leaves the vette for dead from a roll). My advice to vette shoppers, either buy the Z06 or wait for the C7, the C6 has become an easy target........

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

This thread is so long because everyone expects a runaway victory by the more pricey 2-seater. The GT500 has matched or surpassed the vette's performance while retaining it's advantage over the vette in everyday liveability. Trap speeds indicate the Shelby has more power (i.e. leaves the vette for dead from a roll). My advice to vette shoppers, either buy the Z06 or wait for the C7, the C6 has become an easy target........

I wouldn't say that.. more like an achievable benchmark for future heavy sports cars

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

You can use the forum buzz words, like "fan boy, and Kool Aid" all you want.

Must've been my skirt getting in the way. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

My point was people tend to ONLY compare the subjective areas to make their car the winner, and justify their buying decision.

Actually, I would argue that you see a lot more 'strictly by the numbers' arguments than the opposite.

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

I will be the first to admit, the mustang is less expenseive and is a good performer. The Corvette is a better performing car, albeit at a higher price structure. The numbers (fact) show that. The Mustang is a less expensive car. the dollars (fact) show that.

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

Whether the Mustang is easier to live with is SUBJECT (up to ones OWN OPINION). You can't tell me what my favorite color is. I am not trying to tell you the corvette is a better car overall, or that purchasing a mustang is idiotic. The forum (not me) is comparing the performance (fact based) of the 2 cars.

Really? You've got a gift for extrapolating things from the op's initial post I missed.

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

My whole point is there needs to be a qualifier as to what the comparison is. is the comparison steering feel, price, performance, ergonomics, etc...

Usually it's all of those things and more, for reasons which I would argue are obvious.

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

As to the comfort features... maybe you have heard of a car from Lotus called the Elise / Exige.

Sure have, by chance do you own one?

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

If you want to compare subjective things, we can't and won't come to an agreement, based on personal preference.

I'll agree, because you apparently value performance above all else and as such diminish major flaws with the C6 in the process. Unless the Corvette really trips their switch for reasons that cannot be quantified (fascination with the name, etc) I don't imagine a lot of folks are going to be clamoring for a car with the truly major shortcomings the C6 currently lives with compared to other new cars, even cars of the same ilk. (a base Boxster is a virtual palace inside compared to any C6) Of course, the fact that sales numbers tell exactly that same story doesn't hurt.