R&T 'vette GS vs GT500

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

Funny thing is in these comparisons there is never a limiting factor.You have to base the winner on one or two criteria. If you want to base it on dollars, then you have to let the less expensive car spend the difference on whatever they want. If the criteria is factory spec, then you have to leave price out of it.

I think the better comparison is the standard corvette vs GT500. Speed wise, the GS doesn't really add anything, it is supposed to add some handling advantages, and appearances. So we can take away the $10,000 the GS package adds. Now the cars are nearly the same price (within 2-3%). I think you could add a Z51 suspension pack? not sure anymore, I don't follow the options as much as I used to, in order to help handling and braking. If you are a fan of the make or the car, that is OK, you aren't going to change my mind, and I won't change yours.

I think we can all admit the numbers say the Corvette is better. The ONLY category where the GT500 (notice no one wants to call this a mustang, yet people are willing to at least acknowledge that the GS is a Corvette?) is comparable (in a world of tenths and hundredths of a second) is the braking from 80 mph and cornering limits.

I think we can all admit the GT500 is the less expensive car. Aside from that, the comparisons end.

Run 1 lap at any track.....I think there would be a difference in the 2 cars. Run 3 laps at any track.....I think the differences would be monumental.

Live with the car for a week, the difference will convince you that one is much easier to live with. If strict, by the numbers performance were all that mattered we would all be driving a mid engine car the size of the Lancia Stratos with a V8 in it.

[jrc1122]

I think the wrong emphasis is being placed on the price. I, personally, am not saying that the GT500 is better because of the price.

I am simply saying with these two cars specifically, I expect the Vette to be faster, better. Because you are paying for it.


Also,, food for thought, look at the trap speeds. That is a good indication of who has more room for improvement on ET in the 1/4 mile.

Both are great cars. If the Vette would get a facelift, and an interior change, i would be more inclined to want one, but as of right now, the GT500 has more of my attention. Both are out of my price range at the moment. Maybe in about 5 years, when I get rid of some debt and save up some money. I might be looking more at these cars.

[Shifty 6]

Originally Posted by syr74

Live with the car for a week, the difference will convince you that one i much easier to live with. If strict, by the number performance were all that mattered we would all be driving a mid engine car the size of the Lancia Stratos with a V8 in it.

If you can bare the irony, I guess if strict, by the numbers convenience/livability/ergonomics of the vehicle were all that mattered we would all by driving a luxo-liner, Oldsmo-Buicks with 4 doors, large truck and seating for 6.

The comparison is performance. Not convenience. It doesn't matter how hard the car is to live with. How the car feels is a subjective comparison. If you want to compare convenience, start your own thread. My 74 year old father, who has had knee surgery, and loads golf clubs in the back of the car 3 times a week, has lived with the car for 10 years. Maybe your skirt is getting in the way.

[Stew]

Remember guys it is all opinion here! THese cars are close enough it could either way just depending on a certain mags priorities.

That said, I do wish the Grand Sport had been an 11 as there is one big difference, the magnetic shocks on the 11. From what I have read, they give the GS more than a little additional grip and even better steering feel. I demand a rematch

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Didn't specifically name U... but the people in this thread who actually agree with the out come.. despite the numbers are Mustang owners... No offense meant directly at U. And I will agree with the rest of what U said.

And ALSO.. why are people bring up a $13K difference when in actuality the difference in price between the GRAND SPORT and the GT500 is actually more like $4K]???

As for the numbers that matter

Horsepower, bhp @ rpm 436 @ 5900 ....................................550 @ 6200
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm 428 @ 4600 ............................................510 @ 4250
0-60 mph 4.1 sec .................................................. ..................4.4 sec
0-100 mph 9.2 sec .................................................. .................9.2 sec
0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 12.4 sec @ 116.5 mph .............................12.6 sec @ 118.9 mph
Top speed 190 mph* .................................................. .............155 mph*

Pulley swap and tune

And imho the curb weight advantage of 460lb towards the GS makes up for the GT500 higher bhp

So the point about the GT500 being more powerful is moot

Originally Posted by jrc1122

Price as tested $68,365 .................................................. .........$55,537


68.3 - 55.5 = 12.8K--- rounded up to 13K.

And I agree with the Fact that if you was to put another 13k into the GT500.. it will murder almost everything on the road.. shit all it takes is 5k

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

If you can bare the irony, I guess if strict, by the numbers convenience/livability/ergonomics of the vehicle were all that mattered we would all by driving a luxo-liner, Oldsmo-Buicks with 4 doors, large truck and seating for 6.

Actually, in my experience most people want a combination of the two, performance and comfort that is, which is why the Corvette attempts to provide some comfort with things like leather, air conditioning, etc.

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

The comparison is performance. Not convenience. It doesn't matter how hard the car is to live with. How the car feels is a subjective comparison. If you want to compare convenience, start your own thread. My 74 year old father, who has had knee surgery, and loads golf clubs in the back of the car 3 times a week, has lived with the car for 10 years. Maybe your skirt is getting in the way.

No, but the fan boy alarms are buzzing. Perhaps you should call Chevrolet and let them know that everybody has it wrong and that nobody cares about comfort at all, which means that they can just design the C7 with a bare aluminum interior with no AC, heat, radio, etc..

I suggest you pull out the Kool Aid i.v. drip.

...and I do so how love how the faithful will defend the extraordinarily sub par steering feel and always not quite sorted dynamics of the Vette by screaming 'subjectivity'. I suppose that, based on subjectivity, somebody actually thinks that the status quo regarding what makes fine food fine is actually wrong and that, a Hardee's cheeseburger, is the pinnacle of fine food and should be served in the finest restaurants. Of course, that person is a fool....

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Chuckle AWAY...

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

U calling me perfect??? U're the 567th person who has called me perfect... It must be true.

so you take one video as axiom?



how about we do a little real world math:

2011 gt500 weight: 3820
2011 cts-v coupe: 4255

2011 gt500 hp: 550
2011 cts-v hp: 556


are you going to tell me that by some magic... the cts-v coupe is making up for 435lbs of weight with only 6hp?


what your seeing in the video is exactly what motor trend wants, you to get all excited that you bought the better car. next month, the gt500 will win so the other side gets theirs.



dont be a dullard when it comes to believing what you see on the internet... makes you to be a fan boy.



p.s. the only advantage that the cts-v series actually carries that helps with 0-60 and 1/4 miles is the gearing...

first gear on a cts-v coupe is 4.15 with a 4.05 final!


hope you like your 12mpg...

[jrc1122]

I personally don't like the "make up the difference in price with modifications and see what happens.

Because I can build a car for a small fraction of the cost of either of these two cars (based off their MSRP) and murder them in the quarter mile. What does that prove? I say absolutely nothing!

You aren't buying a stripped out Foxbody Mustang with a High Power Engine and a roll cage and chute.

you are buying a brand new, modern, warrantied car with all the amenities that one would expect with that price tag.

[Shifty 6]

Originally Posted by syr74

Actually, in my experience most people want a combination of the two, performance and comfort that is, which is why the Corvette attempts to provide some comfort with things like leather, air conditioning, etc.



No, but the fan boy alarms are buzzing. Perhaps you should call Chevrolet and let them know that everybody has it wrong and that nobody cares about comfort at all, which means that they can just design the C7 with a bare aluminum interior with no AC, heat, radio, etc..

I suggest you pull out the Kool Aid i.v. drip.

...and I do so how love how the faithful will defend the extraordinarily sub par steering feel and always not quite sorted dynamics of the Vette by screaming 'subjectivity'. I suppose that, based on subjectivity, somebody actually thinks that the status quo regarding what makes fine food fine is actually wrong and that, a Hardee's cheeseburger, is the pinnacle of fine food and should be served in the finest restaurants. Of course, that person is a fool....

You can use the forum buzz words, like "fan boy, and Kool Aid" all you want. My point was people tend to ONLY compare the subjective areas to make their car the winner, and justify their buying decision. I will be the first to admit, the mustang is less expenseive and is a good performer. The Corvette is a better performing car, albeit at a higher price structure. The numbers (fact) show that. The Mustang is a less expensive car. the dollars (fact) show that. Whether the Mustang is easier to live with is SUBJECT (up to ones OWN OPINION). You can't tell me what my favorite color is. I am not trying to tell you the corvette is a better car overall, or that purchasing a mustang is idiotic. The forum (not me) is comparing the performance (fact based) of the 2 cars.

My whole point is there needs to be a qualifier as to what the comparison is. is the comparison steering feel, price, performance, ergonomics, etc...

As to the comfort features... maybe you have heard of a car from Lotus called the Elise / Exige.

If you want to compare subjective things, we can't and won't come to an agreement, based on personal preference.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Chuckle AWAY...

I bet you believed Motor Trend in the video when they only got a 12.7 or whatever out of the GT500 when comparing it to the SS.

The 3mph advantage the GT500 has lets you know which one has the most potential in stock form.

[Sax1031]

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...kdIOPQrF4rbiWa

This is how you drive a GT500.

BTW, that was a 12.02 @ 119.9 mph run in 95+ degree Florida heat.

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...kdIOPQrF4rbiWa

This is how you drive a GT500.

BTW, that was a 12.02 @ 119.9 mph run in 95+ degree Florida heat.

+1...



a cadillac beating a shelby....

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

+1...



a cadillac beating a shelby....

I am not saying it can't happen or anything like that.

Just the guy in the motortrend video, that looks like he has never even seen a human female nipple in real life, can't drive to save his life.

I could have ate lunch in the time it took him on that 1st to 2nd shift.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

Price as tested $68,365 .................................................. .........$55,537


68.3 - 55.5 = 12.8K--- rounded up to 13K.

Price as TESTED means they optioned the GS damn near to Z06 prices.. which, if it had of been a Z06.. there would have been no question as to who the winner was. ONCE AGAIN.. OPTIONED.

Point is U can't compare prices of optioned cars as tho it were a determinant. U compare base prices