Are you kidding me?... GT500!!!???@#$%^&*

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I agree that GM should make a Z28 to compete with the GT500. The LSA would put it at just the right horsepower levels.
- Xanthos

you guys think about the Z28 the wrong way... it should be lighter before they put any more power in it

[truth411]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

you guys think about the Z28 the wrong way... it should be lighter before they put any more power in it

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!!
If all GM did was put the LSA in the Camaro SS and thats it, it would weigh over 4000lbs. I would like to see Carbon fiber roof, hood, fenders, Alluminum doors etc...

[GTAHVIT]

I think GM should make a ZL1 to compete with the GT500. 50K for a car.... a bit beyond my price range.

[dieseldave24v]

Originally Posted by truth411

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!!
If all GM did was put the LSA in the Camaro SS and thats it, it would weigh over 4000lbs. I would like to see Carbon fiber roof, hood, fenders, Alluminum doors etc...

They have something like this already. It is called Corvette. People are not going to pay 50K+ for a carbon fiber Camaro. It would be stupid. Then the Camaro would loose focus on what it is designed for. a sports car that most people can afford.

[GTAHVIT]

I think the argument is more centered around, what is historically a Z28.

Which is why some say a ZL1 is more in line with a GT500.

Whatever you call it. If its a camaro and it has a blown motor from the factory??? My kids may have to get scholarships to go to college...

[truth411]

Originally Posted by dieseldave24v

They have something like this already. It is called Corvette. People are not going to pay 50K+ for a carbon fiber Camaro. It would be stupid. Then the Camaro would loose focus on what it is designed for. a sports car that most people can afford.

I disagree, if people are paying $50,000 (sometimes more with dealer markups) for the GT500, then there is a market for a $50,000 Z28 that you can fit your kids in the back seat, something the corvette can't do. I think you might be in the mindset that the camaro and the vette would end up competing with each other, which I argue is not true.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

I think the argument is more centered around, what is historically a Z28.

Which is why some say a ZL1 is more in line with a GT500.

Whatever you call it. If its a camaro and it has a blown motor from the factory??? My kids may have to get scholarships to go to college...

If my memory serve me correctly, the 69 ZL-1 camaro was the most powerful factory pony car ever made in the muscle car days. 425hp, 427 Alluminum block I think. Therefore if there is a ZL-1 camaro it have to have the ZR-1's LS9.

[Camaro_Corvette]

^There ya go...

The old ZL1's are going up in value, and there is not much of a chance of one finding it's way into my garage any time soon. A new one would definitely give me new hope.

[War Eagle]

Thought you guys would like to see this info on the 2010 GT 500. I posted it in the SVT Forum. The Camaro looks like a lot of car for the money and a really big difference is the gas Guzzler tax.

Steve
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Thanks guys,

Here is what I now have.
2010 2009
Base MSRP $46,380 $43,125
Base invoice $41,835 $38,872

The one on Ebay is:
Base $46380
Car Cover 375
58x Pack 2195
destination 795
Guzzler tax 1300

Total $51,045

Thanks for all the info several of you have posted or sent,

Steve

[GatorBlue371]

It would take me all of 2 seconds to buy a z28 if it came in with an ls3 and weighing in like a corvette

[drivingincamaro]

Originally Posted by truth411

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!!
If all GM did was put the LSA in the Camaro SS and thats it, it would weigh over 4000lbs. I would like to see Carbon fiber roof, hood, fenders, Alluminum doors etc...

doesn't carbon fiber cost a crap load? of money?

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

doesn't carbon fiber cost a crap load? of money?

Si!

[GatorBlue371]

10k worth of carbon fiber puts it at -450lbs ish

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

I think the argument is more centered around, what is historically a Z28.

Which is why some say a ZL1 is more in line with a GT500.

Whatever you call it. If its a camaro and it has a blown motor from the factory??? My kids may have to get scholarships to go to college...

I'll reiterate what I've said at least 1,500 times.

The Z28 is a low-displacement Camaro featuring high performance. There is no history of supercharged Z28s being standard. There is lots of heritage behind supercharged SS cars throughout the Chevrolet lineup, but the Camaro SS is not supercharged. In other words, the Z28 will likely not be supercharged.

Additionally, the ZL1 has held a place more comparable to the GT500. "But I've seen tons of YouTube videos of Z28s racing GT500s." I know you have. The truth is that the Mustang GT doesn't exactly match up with the SS. It has lower displacement than the SS, and that would make it a closer competitor to a lower displacement Camaro in the eyes of many. A low-displacement V8 could appear in the lineup under the SS, but that would intrude on V6 pricing and would make the likely lower production Camaro a waste of resources. Alternatively, a Z28 could be a forced induction V6 to reflect its heritage. There is no evidence to suggest that GM has researched either option, suggesting that the Z28 is currently a dormant project.

We don't know when a Z28 will return to the Camaro lineup. We do know that the SS is so close in performance to the Corvette that a Z28 that performs faster than a Corvette would have to be limited production because it would end up stealing away Corvette sales if it were priced closer to the SS. The SS is also powerful enough that it would be possible to get in the range of a Z06 with forced induction, making a Z28 far less likely than a forced induction or stage kit that would enhance the existing platform's power. If the Z06 had more than 505 hp, it would make sense to place a Z28 in the 475-500-hp range. If it had any less or any more power, it would be too close for the price to either the Camaro SS or the Corvette Z06. Traditionally, the Z06 has always led the Z28; however, the ZL1 Camaro has been faster than the Z06, making possible a high-performance ZL1 featuring aforementioned performance GM engines, such as the LSA. There is, however, a ceiling on ZL1 performance. The Corvette ZR1 is GM's fastest platform, so a ZL1 is not in a position to match the LS9-equipped Corvette. That does not, however, eliminate the possibility of a Camaro featuring the same engine because the Corvette and the Camaro have a long-standing tradition of sharing motors.