Toyota Corolla & Matrix Recall

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Toyota designed/engineered the Vibe. Therefore it only makes sense that Toyota would be the one to issue the recall.

I suspect one of the reasons CamaroScotty and several hundred thousand others bought the Vibe over the Matrix was because it was backed by GM...including follow-up testing/investigation for "problems"...but it ISN'T, is that what you're saying?

My suggestion is, if the check was payable to a GM Dealer, is GM not responsible? And if so, how come they're relying on others?

That, my friend, is cause to roll your eyes...

This could be a very valid reason why Matrix enjoys a higher resale value, by the "book", than Vibe.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

I suspect one of the reasons CamaroScotty and several hundred thousand others bought the Vibe over the Matrix was because it was backed by GM...including follow-up testing/investigation for "problems"...but it ISN'T, is that what you're saying?

My suggestion is, if the check was payable to a GM Dealer, is GM not responsible? And if so, how come they're relying on others?

That, my friend, is cause to roll your eyes...

This could be a very valid reason why Matrix enjoys a higher resale value, by the "book", than Vibe.

Which is why all recalled Vibes are being sent back to their GM dealers for servicing.

Quit trolling.

[LOWDOWN]

Since when is it "trolling" to have you explain your (rolling eyes included...your favorite icon) remarks, when you speak outta both sides of your mouth at the same time?

Toyota designed/engineered the Vibe. Therefore it only makes sense that Toyota would be the one to issue the recall.
On a "competitor's" vehicle?!

Which is why all recalled Vibes are being sent back to their GM dealers for servicing.


These two statements make absolutely no sense together, and do NOT adequately answer the question: Does, or does NOT, GM have any ongoing protocol for testing/investigating these vehicles? If NOT, they are equally complicit with Toyota, if not MORE so. At least Toyota is looking after "their own", which apparently, GM is NOT, independantly...

OR...

Did Toyota have to advise GM to recall the Vibe? Or did GM arrive at their recall conclusion, all on their own, and just coincidentally happen to issue their recall on the same day?

This, my friend, is a CRITICAL QUESTION...critical, because it answers whether GM is relying on others to protect THEIR own ass-ets...

If I buy a GM product from a GM dealer, I should NOT have to rely on some third party to look after me! EVER!

[henryfrd07]

I think GM get it first.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

Don't hate my Vibe, and I won't hate your Grand Am

Got nothing against your Vibe, but its still a Toyota in Pontiac cladding.

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

I suspect one of the reasons CamaroScotty and several hundred thousand others bought the Vibe over the Matrix was because it was backed by GM...including follow-up testing/investigation for "problems"...but it ISN'T, is that what you're saying?

My suggestion is, if the check was payable to a GM Dealer, is GM not responsible? And if so, how come they're relying on others?

That, my friend, is cause to roll your eyes...

This could be a very valid reason why Matrix enjoys a higher resale value, by the "book", than Vibe.

Why would GM investigate Toyota's engineering problems? They don't have the engineers who designed the engine and they don't have the data on the related cars. I wouldn't be surprised if GM sent every single Toyota-related complaint about the Vibe to Toyota so that it could be added to their own pool of data. It would be one thing if it were a co-developed engine, but its not. Mechanically, the cars are Toyota's.

Here is GM's press release http://media.gm.com/content/media/us.../Aug/0826_vibe.

Originally Posted by GM Press Release

Toyota Motor Co. announced a safety recall Thursday for 199,163 Pontiac Vibe models from 2005-2008 because a faulty powertrain control. As part of the same action, Toyota is recalling 1.13 million Toyota Corolla and Matrix models from the same model years.

The 2-wheel-drive Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix are sister vehicles built between April 2004 and January 2008 at the former New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. joint venture between GM and Toyota. The vehicles were designed and engineered by Toyota.

On some of these vehicles, the PCM may have been improperly manufactured and include components that can fail prematurely. In most cases, the engine warning lamp could be illuminated, harsh transmission shifting could result, the engine may stall or the engine may not start. In limited instances, the engine could stall while the vehicle is being driven.

Vibe customers will receive preliminary recall letters in September and a follow-up letter when replacement ECMs are available for their vehicles. Since GM has wound down the Pontiac brand, owners will be instructed to take their vehicles to other GM dealerships for service, which will be performed free of charge.

I'd also be willing to bet that GM will send Toyota a cheque for the repair work. I'd expect the exact same sorta thing with the VW Routan (aka Dodge Caravan), the Toyota Cavalier (aka Chevy Cavalier) or any number of other examples.

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Toyota designed/engineered the Vibe. Therefore it only makes sense that Toyota would be the one to issue the recall.
On a "competitor's" vehicle?!

Yes, because they engineered it.

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Which is why all recalled Vibes are being sent back to their GM dealers for servicing.

GM dealerships do warranty work on GM branded vehicles.

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

These two statements make absolutely no sense together, and do NOT adequately answer the question: Does, or does NOT, GM have any ongoing protocol for testing/investigating these vehicles? If NOT, they are equally complicit with Toyota, if not MORE so. At least Toyota is looking after "their own", which apparently, GM is NOT, independantly...

Of course they have a protocol, they have to. But that protocol can be as simple as 'Hey Toyota, another one of your Vibes has an engine stalling problem'

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

OR...

Did Toyota have to advise GM to recall the Vibe? Or did GM arrive at their recall conclusion, all on their own, and just coincidentally happen to issue their recall on the same day?

GM hasn't issued a recall, Toyota is recalling the Vibe along with the Matrix and the Corolla.

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

This, my friend, is a CRITICAL QUESTION...critical, because it answers whether GM is relying on others to protect THEIR own ass-ets...

If I buy a GM product from a GM dealer, I should NOT have to rely on some third party to look after me! EVER!

So you think that engineers who know nothing about the car are better suited to protecting you than the ones who did all the actual engineering work on it?

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Since when is it "trolling" to have you explain your (rolling eyes included...your favorite icon) remarks, when you speak outta both sides of your mouth at the same time?

Toyota designed/engineered the Vibe. Therefore it only makes sense that Toyota would be the one to issue the recall.
On a "competitor's" vehicle?!

Which is why all recalled Vibes are being sent back to their GM dealers for servicing.


These two statements make absolutely no sense together, and do NOT adequately answer the question: Does, or does NOT, GM have any ongoing protocol for testing/investigating these vehicles? If NOT, they are equally complicit with Toyota, if not MORE so. At least Toyota is looking after "their own", which apparently, GM is NOT, independantly...

OR...

Did Toyota have to advise GM to recall the Vibe? Or did GM arrive at their recall conclusion, all on their own, and just coincidentally happen to issue their recall on the same day?

This, my friend, is a CRITICAL QUESTION...critical, because it answers whether GM is relying on others to protect THEIR own ass-ets...

If I buy a GM product from a GM dealer, I should NOT have to rely on some third party to look after me! EVER!

Question: What is at about any Toyota comment or suggestion that Toyotas are not perfect, and in fact not built by the hand of God himself that causes you to take complete leave of your senses? I am genuinely curious about the thought process take leads someone to conclude that GM is evil and incompetent based on news of a Toyota recall.

Now if you'll excuse me, a light bulb just burned out and I have to go give the guy who installed my driveway hell for it. (It makes sense).

[a_Username]

Yeah I noticed that too Fielder. I don't think he's interested in any Camaro lol.

[LOWDOWN]

Nice to have it both ways...

I, as a consumer, go to a GM store and spend my hard-earned, after-tax dollar$ on a Pontiac Vibe. I want to be a "faithful GM customer"...like CamaroScotty, for instance...

...only to find out, if there is an issue or two with the vehicle, I MUST depend on a third party to look after "my best interests"...

And you folks think I have no reason to be "concerned", or "questioning"?

If I buy a shirt @ Sears, I don't expect Walmart to have "my best interests" at heart, I expect Sears to look after me...or WHY BOTHER supporting them?!

If someone has a serious problem with their Vibe, and seeks redress, they will go after GM, NOT "the other guys"...

With regard to NUMMI, that was a 50/50 deal, NOT totally owned/operated by Toyota. And GM was very happy to take whatever profit$ accrued from the sale of Nova/Prizm/Vibe et al. And NOW you say GM bears NO RESPONSIBILITY other than to retrofit any Toyota-instigated recalls?

NONSENSE!

To take your site-centered comments one step further...

If I have a problem with my Camaro (and I did have one...!!), do I go after HOLDEN...or GM?!

...and NO!! They are NOT the same. Ask a lawyer...

[FxsX24]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Nice to have it both ways...

I, as a consumer, go to a GM store and spend my hard-earned, after-tax dollar$ on a Pontiac Vibe. I want to be a "faithful GM customer"...like CamaroScotty, for instance...

...only to find out, if there is an issue or two with the vehicle, I MUST depend on a third party to look after "my best interests"...

And you folks think I have no reason to be "concerned", or "questioning"?

If I buy a shirt @ Sears, I don't expect Walmart to have "my best interests" at heart, I expect Sears to look after me...or WHY BOTHER supporting them?!

If someone has a serious problem with their Vibe, and seeks redress, they will go after GM, NOT "the other guys"...

With regard to NUMMI, that was a 50/50 deal, NOT totally owned/operated by Toyota. And GM was very happy to take whatever profit$ accrued from the sale of Nova/Prizm/Vibe et al. And NOW you say GM bears NO RESPONSIBILITY other than to retrofit any Toyota-instigated recalls?

NONSENSE!

To take your site-centered comments one step further...

If I have a problem with my Camaro (and I did have one...!!), do I go after HOLDEN...or GM?!

...and NO!! They are NOT the same. Ask a lawyer...

DUDE TAKE A CHILL PILL

Gm has far less cars with the toyota systems. they might receive one complaint, and toyota gets one hundred

do you think GM will recall something for one complaint?

this is all about volume. gm has less toyota based cars than toyota.

more cars= more complaints

GM will issue a recall
it will state that toyota has issued a recall on the vibe and that mummi built them, GM will send you the letter with a PONTIAC LOGO on the letter.

[Berean]

In a world that makes sense, which this one doesn't, you'd take your PONTIAC Vibe back to a GM dealer for repairs. If the GM dealer needs to take it to a Toyota dealer, that process should be transparent to the customer.

Edit to add: The assumption was that GM should be doing the recall on the Vibes.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Since when is it "trolling" to have you explain your (rolling eyes included...your favorite icon) remarks, when you speak outta both sides of your mouth at the same time?

All you do on this site is troll the threads looking to start arguments.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

If I have a problem with my Camaro (and I did have one...!!), do I go after HOLDEN...or GM?!

Considering how Holden is a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Motors, your point is moot.

[COPO_Chevy]

I still can't fathom how anyone would really buy a Toyota with all these recalls, let alone protect the company..and say their safe.. Its sad in away..especially if you see their commercials about how "safe" their vehicles are..:( Either way, mark another batch of recalls for Toyota..

[lil_red_v6]

with all the recalls is it safe to even work there?