My thoughts on the "mega thread"

[chain777]

Originally Posted by syr74

I'll agree, but then most of those forums handled the whole situation differently from the outset. I'm telling you, the difference is in the policies and how they are enforced.

theoretical example based on a real thread about a different subject.....somebody starts a thread here about the new Boss 302 and the fourth post is somebody saying 'yeah, but it's still a crap-stang and Camaro's rule....check and see what forum you are one'. Mod interaction.....nothing.

I know of a Mustang forum where that same reaction to a post about say, the new Z28, would absolutely garner that user a warning. Why? Because it's rude, that's why.

And I think that is where the buggy went astray here. Rude is rude, it shouldn't matter is they are being pro-Camaro or pro-whatever when they are being rude and, to be blunt, trolling....but here I think that how your comments are perceived in terms of pro-this or that does matter. The issue should be they are being rude and creating problems, but I think too often it isn't.

The kind of problems on this forum don't spiral out of control on other forums, because more often than not, if someone posts something ignorant, abusive or just outright lies, they are shut down pretty quickly; usually by the members themselves. If not, the mods take care of it. Here, when the Mustang insults start flying, they usually fly under the radar. This just encourages more bad behavior and thread crapping. It all starts at the top.

Take a look how other forums handle this kind of thing. Here's a thread on a BMW forum talking about the new Boss. See how the mods handle it.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1511224


I was going to link to a thread someone started, bashing the Camaro on mustangsource, but it got deleted (as it should), before I could post. I found another one about the recent CTS-V vs. GT500. If the roles were reversed, and GT500 won, I think the thread here would turn out a little different.

http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...-gt500-486208/

My point is, it doesn't have to be this way. It's possible to have opposing points of view without resorting to insults and thread crapping. But you have to stop it before it spirals out of control.




Threads like this wouldn't stand a chance on most forums. It's sh*t stirring at its finest. Here, it seems to be encouraged.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101092

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by chain777

Threads like this wouldn't stand a chance on most forums. It's sh*t stirring at its finest. Here, it seems to be encouraged.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101092

Funny, I saw it the other way. It looked to me like a Camaro owner couldn't post something nice about his car in what you guys think is "your" area of the forums. Happens a lot there, too.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Donked

Long time lurker, and I don't post much, but here's how I see it.

There's a crapton of mustang trolls on the boards, and before the mega thread, you would think that the "other cars" section was the "MUSTANG ONLY" section. That shit was annoying. You'd have one guy post about EVO taking a 5.0 and running 10 something on nitrous, than you'd have a video of it posted in a new thread, then another one saying THE NEW MUSTANG ROCKS!!! and inside that thread it would say "It goes 10 seconds int he quarter on nitrous".

Then you'd have 6 other threads about how you like the styling more than the camaro. Do you really need 6 threads on that? I'm happy that there's a mega thread. If the mustang guys don't like it, they should learn to keep it organized. It's their own little slice of the heaven we call Camaro5. Stop bickering back and forth (that means you too camaro fanboys) and the mega thread would be a much better organized, well-informed thread to read.

There are a few mustang guys on here that are cool and aren't blind fanboys. It's all the other posters that just try to instigate shit that made it easy for the mods to just lump everything together because every thread was infested by trolls. I don't see anything wrong with what they did. I bet if we can police ourselves and report all the troll posts, keeping the threads clean and strictly informational, and not making duplicate threads, the mega thread would be dissolved and we could have a few different threads for different mustang topics so we could find information about specific things easier. Until all the trolls are gone (which I doubt they will ever be), I don't see the mega thread going away.

Isn't it more effective to just get rid of the trolls, than trying to "control" them by creating a thread for them to play in? That's what's happened here. You can forget about trying to organize the mega thread zoo. It's beyond hope.

Again, I've never seen this kind of thing on other forums, so what's so different here?

[chain777]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Funny, I saw it the other way. It looked to me like a Camaro owner couldn't post something nice about his car in what you guys think is "your" area of the forums. Happens a lot there, too.

It's not the fact he posted something nice about his car, it's the way he chose to insult every non-Camaro owner in the process. What do you think that's going to lead to? The thread speaks for itself.


* by the way, so far this thread is going pretty well, for the most part. Thanks for keeping it mature.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by chain777

Well, the house is a mess. Isn't the "other cars" section the proper place? Why relegate the Mustang to one big useless thread in this section?
Because if we let people post whatever they want in the other car section, it will be nothing more than a Mustang section. I'm sorry but I haven't visited a Mustang forum that has a section dedicated to the Camaro. So why should we be any different.
I don't see any other cars treated that way.
Because people don't post hundreds of threads per moth on "other" cars
I've never been to a Mustang site where all the Camaro threads were dumped into one unreadable thread.
Because they don't seem to have as many threads on the camaro
They seem to deal with it there, I don't see why it can't be dealt with here as well.
Because "some" members here (mostly the ones posting here) seem to think that this is a Mustang section.
It feels like you don't want to acknowledge the Mustangs existence, so let's throw any mention of it in the trash can labeled "Mustang Mega thread".

That seems strange in a Camaro dedicated forum?

Any meaningful comparison between the two cars is completely lost for anyone wanting any real information. I hope that's not the agenda here.

No. But if I want information on the Mustang I visit a Mustang forum, not a Camaro forum.....

It's too bad we can't have any real conversation here without the fan-boy flamers (from both sides), bringing these threads to to a nut swinging contest. If I was a mod here, I'd concentrate on shutting down the flamers that bring nothing to a conversion other than to stir it up. It's not too hard to see who they are.

Well, we can be fair like we always are and infract people who start trouble and by that process get rid of trouble makers. Or we can get rid of all the "Mustang" guys who's sole purpose on this site is to "inform" us or keep things "accurate".

I hope this post isn't read as an insult to this site, or the mods. Constructive criticism, yes. There's a lot of good people here, but the noise level of the thread crappers is starting to drown out any meaningful conversation.

That's the internet. It'l happen on any forum.

I know you guys make the rules, and I abide by them. But that doesn't mean I agree with all of them, and would at least hope you can try to see it from another point of view.

Trust me. We do look at every point of view, but this is how we have decided to deal with this.

So here is a serious question for you.

Why should we give the Mustang people any preferance and let them take over the "other cars" section?

Because if we don't have a "mega merge" thread there will be hundreds of Mustang threads in that section.

Like I said. This is a camaro forum first. And we will not give preferance to people who are solely here to talk about other cars.

[2010 SSRS]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

So here is a serious question for you.

Why should we give the Mustang people any preferance and let them take over the "other cars" section?

Because if we don't have a "mega merge" thread there will be hundreds of Mustang threads in that section.

Like I said. This is a camaro forum first. And we will not give preferance to people who are solely here to talk about other cars.

Camaro Forum for Camaro enthusiasts

[Donked]

Originally Posted by chain777

Isn't it more effective to just get rid of the trolls, than trying to "control" them by creating a thread for them to play in? That's what's happened here. You can forget about trying to organize the mega thread zoo. It's beyond hope.

Again, I've never seen this kind of thing on other forums, so what's so different here?

So you're saying that the mods should be come nazis and delete anything that relates to bickering? I for one don't want them to ban everyone who gives even the slightest impressino of being a troll. People would be scared to post their true feelings and we'd turn into a mindless brainwashed society here with mindless posting...

I know they've banned a few people here who just went crying to other forums and then friends show up and start bashing the boards. Granted they get banned pretty quickly, but that just seems to be inviting more drama. At least all the trolls normally stick to one thread now. I think it's easy to shoot fish if you place them all in a barrel, with very little water.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

So here is a serious question for you.

Why should we give the Mustang people any preferance and let them take over the "other cars" section?

By merging every thread into one mega mess, that's hardly giving preference. In fact, it's just the opposite. I'm not looking for preference, just a somewhat level playing field with the other "other cars". The Camaro is always be number one here, and anyone showing disrespect should be dealt with.

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Because if we don't have a "mega merge" thread there will be hundreds of Mustang threads in that section.

Like I said. This is a camaro forum first. And we will not give preferance to people who are solely here to talk about other cars.

Then why have an "other cars" section, if it's not to talk about "other cars"? What are we supposed to talk about here? It's no different than "other cars" forums elsewhere, where they talk about cars other than the one the forums are dedicated to. This is the only place that seems to have a problem with the concept.

Nobody wants to see this section turn into a Mustang forum. But it happens to be the car getting the most attention here right now, so it would make sense that there may be more than the usual amount of posts about it. It may be more popular than other cars here, but I don't think it would take over the whole section.

But only one mega thread? That seems to be going too far in the other direction.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Donked

So you're saying that the mods should be come nazis and delete anything that relates to bickering? I for one don't want them to ban everyone who gives even the slightest impressino of being a troll. People would be scared to post their true feelings and we'd turn into a mindless brainwashed society here with mindless posting...

I know they've banned a few people here who just went crying to other forums and then friends show up and start bashing the boards. Granted they get banned pretty quickly, but that just seems to be inviting more drama. At least all the trolls normally stick to one thread now. I think it's easy to shoot fish if you place them all in a barrel, with very little water.

I'll admit I probably underestimate the time it takes the mods to police the site. No, I don't think they should turn nazi, but obvious troll posts should be dealt with. And the community here could help out a lot my doing some policing ourselves. I don't think it's a lost cause. I just think it could be dealt with a little better.

[Mindz]

Even if you don't want to police yourselves. There's a small little triangle under everyone's name that you can use to report posts. It helps us be more efficient when dealing with trolls. We have to deal with the whole board as we don't have one moderator assigned to a specific forum, but we all browse the whole forums. We encourage members to help us spot troublesome posts when possible. =)

It's better to report a post and let us handle it, then start a flamewar and make more of a mess to clean up.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by chain777

Then why have an "other cars" section, if it's not to talk about "other cars"? What are we supposed to talk about here? It's no different than "other cars" forums elsewhere, where they talk about cars other than the one the forums are dedicated to. This is the only place that seems to have a problem with the concept.

Because this seems to be the only forum in the world where Mustang owners feel the need to come here and "correct" us or keep things "accurate". If it weren't for those people thinking that this is the "best mustang forum out there" (yes we actually had some people say that). This wouldn;t be a problem.

Nobody wants to see this section turn into a Mustang forum. But it happens to be the car getting the most attention here right now, so it would make sense that there may be more than the usual amount of posts about it. It may be more popular than other cars here, but I don't think it would take over the whole section.
You really don't think so?
Last week alone there were about 10 mustang threads on the first page of the "other car" section. Doesn't that seem like a little too much?

But only one mega thread? That seems to be going too far in the other direction.

I think it's quite the opposite.
Would you like me to delete the mega thread and see whose post counts drop dramatically? I'd be willing to bet it would be some of the same people responding to this thread. Most of them here just to talk about the mustang.
You don't see a problem with that?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by chain777

Then why have an "other cars" section, if it's not to talk about "other cars"? What are we supposed to talk about here? It's no different than "other cars" forums elsewhere, where they talk about cars other than the one the forums are dedicated to. This is the only place that seems to have a problem with the concept.

Nobody wants to see this section turn into a Mustang forum. But it happens to be the car getting the most attention here right now, so it would make sense that there may be more than the usual amount of posts about it. It may be more popular than other cars here, but I don't think it would take over the whole section.

But only one mega thread? That seems to be going too far in the other direction.

The "General Automotive and Other Cars" section was littered with Mustang threads before they were all merged into one. I was sick of having to pick through them all to find a thread I was actually interested in.

Keep the mega thread. There are similar things over at GMI and none of our members have a problem with it.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by chain777

It's not the fact he posted something nice about his car, it's the way he chose to insult every non-Camaro owner in the process. What do you think that's going to lead to? The thread speaks for itself.


* by the way, so far this thread is going pretty well, for the most part. Thanks for keeping it mature.

Thanks, and to you as well.

I guess I didn't see it as an insult to every other car so much as stating his preference for the Camaro. "eat you freakin hearts out. " doesn't seem that combative to me, especially given the context of this website (sorry if I get repetitive with that, but I find I have to keep reminding people this is Camaro5.com and not a generic car site like Motor Trend).

He sure got flamed to hell and back though.

At about the same time, someone made a thread about the Boss 302 Mustang and it was basically one huge thread of politeness and compliments (sans a few snide remarks along the lines of "watch out for the Camaro trolls") about the car. Before it was merged, anyway.

To me that's a pretty accruate picture of the way the different enthusiasts treat each other in those areas lately.

[lil_chef]

sigh.... its a camaro forum the forums are run how they want to run it. Unfortunately this is a situation where a group of trolls ruined it for the rest of the legitimate members. NUFF SAID