my friend just got a 5.0L heres my thoughts

[ZCT]

Originally Posted by 28.

That's just personal preference. But to say it wins by a mile on either one, in my own opinion, is being kinda biased I think. Like someone else said these cars are so close it's not even funny..

Well okay, so a mile might be over stating it. But someone saying 'it's so close it's not even funny' is ALSO a personal opinion.

Also please understand that the bias I have today is based on research and test drives. I was a BMW driver. I was considering buying a 370Z, because I wanted something sporty. Out of the blue I decided to check out the American cars, with no personal bias whatsoever. I read the reviews, I test drove the V6 & V8 of each, and decided what I preferred.

Originally Posted by 28.

The body was completely redesigned in 2010. And considering they have a completely new drivetrain, to say same old, same old is just silly. Another thing is that I actually have seen more 2010 Camaros than 2010/2011 Mustangs around here.

Yeah, but that's kinda like when Porsche tell me they have redesigned the 911, and it looks the same. Honestly, at least to my eyes, the overall look of the Mustang is so similar to how it has looked for several years, it's hardly changed. Hence my comment about same old.

If you took a person who didn't know much about cars, and showed them a new Mustang. They could probably tell you it was a Mustang, despite the redesign. If you asked the same person to identify the new Camaro, they are far more likely to be stumped, since the new design is a total re-imagining of the vehicle.

As to how many Mustangs there are, I was referring to them as a whole, not just the 2010/2011 models.

Some of my wife's relatives who are diehard Mustang fans and have owned several, actually whine about the redesign as a departure from the classic look. In fact some have said that Ford ruined it.

Originally Posted by 28.

I do agree with this. The Camaro does have an overall better look outside. But I still prefer the interior on the Mustang. Just more driver friendly in my opinion.

I can agree in some respects, but every time I see that pale green LED display Ford uses, I just think of one of those old crappy things like the Ford Explorer that everyone was trading in on the cash for clunkers program.

Seriously, that kind of color and display is so ugly.

But let's be real there are some issues that GM need to work on with the Camaro interior.

Originally Posted by 28.

The Mustang does feel more nimble, but I honestly think that they feel equally comfortable giving the tad to the Camaro. The Brembo Package GT does feel a bit harsher though than the Camaro..

Some of the reviews I've read concede that Ford have done an amazing job, despite the live axle. But many also state that desite the impressive nimble feel, it can still take a little longer to settle down on an uneven road surface.

Originally Posted by 28.

Again, personal preference, and the lights are now ocean blue. Quite nice actually.

I guess I stand corrected. I still was not impressed by the interior particularly.

Originally Posted by 28.

If the salesperson told you this, he's simply a douche. No reason for that and I would have walked away also.

I did. As someone who's been in sales for years, it also annoyed me that he told me he had never even looked at a Camaro up close. I mean why not take some time out and learn a little something about the competition.

I remember one time when I bought an Acura TL, and was considering trading it for the Type S. I went to a Lexus dealer and asked the salesman to explain why I should buy an IS rather than the TL. In an arrogant I-work-at-a-Lexus-Dealership voice he said, "Sir, I don't really consider Acura to be in the same class as a Lexus. We only learn how to sell against BMW."

Now sure, I really don't like Acura all that much, but don't tell me a car for the exact same price isn't your competition!

At the end of the day, I know some emotions run high on the whole Pony Car thing. For me I did the comparisons and just didn't like the Mustang. And if you compare like with like: 2010 to 2010, I think there is a big difference. The fact that Ford were forced to put in better engines to compete shows they are playing catch up, and given the extra years they've been working on the Mustang, they shouldn't have to.

[TooCool5]

Originally Posted by Brownhornitt

Opinion... Let the dude have his opinion, regardless of him being on the Camaro5 forum. Unless you meant that this post should be in the Camaro vs... section. In which case, I agree.

I happen to agree with him. The Mustang's numbers are better. It's hard to argue that. But you can't quantify "cool." And the Camaro is exactly that. Cool.

Some folks like Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, and even Chargers. But the honest to God truth is they are all cool cars. And we would all be lucky to drive any one of them. PC? Yes. Truthful. I think so, too.

Yeah, not only cool, it TooCool

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

its a nice car.... you for sure get more bang with your buck... its a litter faster and better handling then a stock camaro ss....

my friend and i sat down and gave our thoughts on both cars...

well they both look cool... we both agree that the camaro as a more appeal to it...

now we see the mustang as a sports/ muscle car...

we both agreed that the camaro is more of a muscle car, and more BA...

the interior of the mustang feels like a normal sports car, i love the 6 speed shift knob..

now the camaro, for sure as a more BA interior, but with all of that visible issue, its makes it not good for the track,,, but that camaro is not a track car anyways so its fine...


looking at the numbers the mustang is a better deal.. but the camaro is just a "cooler" car

This has to be the first truly unbiased report on here that I've seen. Good Job!

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by wbt

Disagree on everything but the brakes. With the non-Brembo brakes on my GT they stop just as good as my SS with the Brembo's in every day driving. If I were tracking the car I would agree the Camaro Brembo's would be a better deal.

Regarding the gearing, the quickest/fastest stock Mustang GT is an auto running the 3.15 gear on the base 18" wheels and tires.

Even with the stock 3.31 in the manual, it is more aggressively geared than the Camaro. The 3.73 just = wheelspin.

Agreed. The Brembos in the SS are great for the road course, but just stop for stop in daily driving, not that much of an advantage. Of course, they look good peeking through the wheels, lol.

Originally Posted by Sax1031

These two are so close it is not even funny.

Yep! +1

Originally Posted by StreetReporter

Coke vs. Pepsi
Chevy vs. Ford
Liberal vs. Conservative
Cocoa Crispies vs. Cocoa Puffs

So it was, so it is, so it will be for eternity.

BTW, Cocoa Crispies are the best.

Count Chocula > Coca Crispies > Coca Puffs

Gotta have the marshmallows, lol.

[GTAHVIT]

Moved.

Couple things. We obviously don't have a ban on Mustang discussion...

but this is a camaro site. So don't get all huffy when we appear to be a bit biased. We are biased.

Doesn't mean the mustang is crap, nor does it mean we can't appreciate the competition stepping up their game.



So feel free to continue the discussion, no need for insults and NOOOO POLITICS.


oh and coco puffs FTW!

My daughter says so.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Hicompression

I'll take the IRS in the new Camaro any 'ole day over the live axle in the Mustang. Put an IRS back into a Mustang like the '03 and '04 Cobras had and I'll start looking at them again.

God no. There is no reason for Ford to move to IRS. The solid axle performs just as well and has a higher skidpad than the Camaro.

IRS = broken axles which is a big turn off.

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by Stormyone

Ummm Count Chocula or Cap'n Crunch are the best... by miles...

Nope. Tony the Tiger is where it is at.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by mrray13

Agreed. The Brembos in the SS are great for the road course, but just stop for stop in daily driving, not that much of an advantage. Of course, they look good peeking through the wheels, lol.






Yep! +1




Count Chocula > Coca Crispies > Coca Puffs

Gotta have the marshmallows, lol.

Did you grow up in Columbia?

[2010SLVRBULIT]

imo, mustang rear end is still fugly

[GMtothecore]

2011 mustang is a good looking car for sure. I have a totally different view on stangs now when I see the new ones rolling down the road.

Especially the brand new GT500 that was rollin with me for a while the other day!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

I disagree. When you look at what you have to spend in options to get a mustang to perform at the level of a 1SS the camaro is a much better deal. Want the stang to be as fast gotta have the 3.73s. Wanna be able to stop? Gotta order the Brembos. A base GT is $30,495 a 1SS is $31,795. The GT's brembo option is $1695 which raises it's price to $32,190. On top of that if you want to swap out the standard 3.31's with the 3.55's or more likely the 3.73's it's another $395. Which brings it up to $32,585. Even then the Camaro and Mustang are neck and neck in the 1/4 mile. So if your talking getting into a V8 then sure you can get a stang cheaper but as for more bang for you buck the Camaro wins.

FYI you do NOT have to add ANYTHING to the 11 GT to perform with an SS, the stock brakes match or beat the SS 60-0, a 3.31 equipped GT has already tied the BEST Camaro SS time at 12.58, so yes, bang for your buck, the Mustang IS the better deal.

[28.]

Originally Posted by Stew

FYI you do NOT have to add ANYTHING to the 11 GT to perform with an SS, the stock brakes match or beat the SS 60-0, a 3.31 equipped GT has already tied the BEST Camaro SS time at 12.58, so yes, bang for your buck, the Mustang IS the better deal.

I was going to post this as well, but just didn't want to create a big argument. I had my dealer quote me on a base GT with 3:73s as my only option and I could of got it for around 29,700.. A damn good deal in my opinion. Yea it would have been bare bones inside, but ANY car making 400+ HP for under 30 grand is a hll of a deal to me.. Only reason I upgraded was because my wife insisted on ambient lighting and Sync. Just went ahead and got a premium pack for 33K.. Still a great buy I think.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Hicompression

I'll take the IRS in the new Camaro any 'ole day over the live axle in the Mustang. Put an IRS back into a Mustang like the '03 and '04 Cobras had and I'll start looking at them again.

Why? The Mustang rides as well as the Camaro and outhandles it no problem, it is more stout and better for the 1/4 mile also, so what makes the IRS superior in htis case? IMHO, give me what works and the Ford solid axle just works better than the Camaro IRS stock for stock.

[Michael_Js]

Love my Camaro
I Said it before, so, I think Ford did a great job on the '11 Mustangs! Love the GT500's! Still wouldn't buy one, but it's a great car - have always loved the GT's stock sound!

All of the above are my opinions. You can leave them, but ya can't change em
Ok, give me a GT500 and I'll give you a better opinion!