Just one more reason to hate the UAW!!!!

[PieNsky]

Originally Posted by cam-up

thank your UAW when your without a job, go see what they will do for you then, for the love of god, 70 dollars and hour,its a lazy monkey job, what srcew a few bolts, and get that kind of pay, good for the UAW, but they better get back to earth, or they will be in the umemployment line, so go ahead be greddy, and i keep defending this country. good luck, in the end they will get a hand out, then in 60 days it all starts over

Phaque u

[upheval]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

slow down -

While I do not agree with the Union on many issues - they've agreed to take many concessions -- but a few Senators wanted it NOW...........and for once I agree with Ron Gettelfinger.........this has to involve a lot of paycuts and such...........

Let me ask you something:

Why is it that we would want to cut the paychecks for American Workers -- when FOREIGN governments close their markets to us using tarriffs and any number of ways to keep us out of their markets?

Why would you want to contribute to the paychecks of, oh - say the KOREANS-- what have THEY done for us lately?

Remember - the paychecks that go to - oh......say, Lordstown, Ohio Assembly workers --- put money into the local economy in Ohio - -pay for trips to places like Disneyworld - purchase goods and services from many other Americans -- THINK ABOUT IT!

We have SENATORS saying that the Big Three are 'bloated' and are 'incompetent' --

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SENATOR SHELBY -- YOU AND YOUR COHORTS HAVE PUT THIS COUNTRY INTO TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT -- YOU GAVE -- YES gave -- NOT loaned - GAVE -- DIAMLER AND HONDA AND HYUNDAI NEARLY A BILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD IN YOUR STATE - -
YOU PAY ILLEGAL ALIENNS WELFARE BENEFITS -- YOU SPEND HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PORKBARREL SPENDING - AND YOU VOTE YOURSELVES PAY RAISES AND HAVE THE WORLD'S BEST BENEFITS AND RETIREMENT PACKAGES -- AND YOU SAY THAT THE BIG THREE ARE BLOATED AND THAT NO ONE WANTS THEIR CARS AND TRUCKS???????

IF EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS NOT ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY INCENSED AT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS - THEN I GIVE THIS COUNTRY LESS THAN 10 YEARS BEFORE WE IMPLODE UPON OURSELVES.................

I bought 3 vehicles in 2007. So look at this from a customer point of view. I am going to loose the warranty and support for a hundred thousand dollars of vehicles that I purchased from my beloved American car company and was planning to buy another one this year, so I can say what ever I Fooking want. The lack of flexibility in the UAW pisses me off. You guys are the ones asking for help. Take your humble pie/pay cut or what ever it takes to stay afloat and fix it down the road!!! This is not about our politicians, its about you asking the tax payer for help but without concessions. Wake up!!!

[PieNsky]

As someone from Kentucky, all I have to say is DITCH MITCH. This is the first time I didn't vote for him.

Originally Posted by fbodfather

slow down -

While I do not agree with the Union on many issues - they've agreed to take many concessions -- but a few Senators wanted it NOW...........and for once I agree with Ron Gettelfinger.........this has to involve a lot of paycuts and such...........

Let me ask you something:

Why is it that we would want to cut the paychecks for American Workers -- when FOREIGN governments close their markets to us using tarriffs and any number of ways to keep us out of their markets?

Why would you want to contribute to the paychecks of, oh - say the KOREANS-- what have THEY done for us lately?

Remember - the paychecks that go to - oh......say, Lordstown, Ohio Assembly workers --- put money into the local economy in Ohio - -pay for trips to places like Disneyworld - purchase goods and services from many other Americans -- THINK ABOUT IT!

We have SENATORS saying that the Big Three are 'bloated' and are 'incompetent' --

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SENATOR SHELBY -- YOU AND YOUR COHORTS HAVE PUT THIS COUNTRY INTO TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT -- YOU GAVE -- YES gave -- NOT loaned - GAVE -- DIAMLER AND HONDA AND HYUNDAI NEARLY A BILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD IN YOUR STATE - -
YOU PAY ILLEGAL ALIENNS WELFARE BENEFITS -- YOU SPEND HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PORKBARREL SPENDING - AND YOU VOTE YOURSELVES PAY RAISES AND HAVE THE WORLD'S BEST BENEFITS AND RETIREMENT PACKAGES -- AND YOU SAY THAT THE BIG THREE ARE BLOATED AND THAT NO ONE WANTS THEIR CARS AND TRUCKS???????

IF EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS NOT ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY INCENSED AT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS - THEN I GIVE THIS COUNTRY LESS THAN 10 YEARS BEFORE WE IMPLODE UPON OURSELVES.................

[jaqspade]

******* The economy is bad enough, they are trying to take money from hard working Americans. The UAW factory workers make about 29 dollars an hour. The $70/hr they are talking about includes medical, retirement and other benefits the company pays for.The cars company signed a contract with the workers and they need to honor it. If they want to renegotiate with the Union on wages and benefits, they should wait until their contract expires 2011.
Yes I am a proud union worker TWU Local 100 Transportation Workers. I do not work for a car company. I work for MTA NYC Transit, in track construction.

[dayvedayve]

What is with all the hate toward Unions. Do you think that any company would pay OT for work done after 40 hrs? Only after the labor laws were passed, hanks to the Union.
Do you think that companies would give you vacation and sick pay, oh yeah thank the Unions for that one too. Weekends, yep Unions help create that to. Dont for an istant ever believe that the protections the work force have today would be here if it wasn't for the Unions. The people that talk about how overpaid the auto workers are need to wise up. Every job can be done cheaper by somebody else. How soon before its your job? How in the hell can anybody in this country bitch about how much a plant worker makes when CEO rake in millions in salaries and bonuses, sports players make millions to FRICKIN play, movie stars and musicians make millions to act and sing, and our great politicians make assinine salaries that they themselves decide on. You want to complain about somebody making too much money and bankrupting a industry go ahead its your right. But try putting yourself in those line workers shoes and see if you want to take another cut in pay while the top tier suits lose nothing.

[Rodrunner]

It pains me to say this, but I'm again' ya on this one, fbodfather. There's no need to worry about selling our cars to other countries until we can first sell them in this country. We need to get our own American workers to quit penalizing the auto industry before we complain about foreign governments doing the same. We need to get our own house in order first.

True, unions have given us many bona fide, well deserved benefits in the past, but they've now grown to the point of overstepping their bounds.

[playhard67]

unions have outlived their usefulness. My wife is a teacher and is a member of the union. Oh, they have just had to re-negotiate their contract and reduce their wages. They did this without saying..."wait until the current contract expires" .

That is asinine.

The rest of us don't make $29.00/hour unless we have medical, pension, etc. taken out of that. Not starting with $70.00 and ending up with a NET $29.00 WTF!

[HeatherR]

Originally Posted by playhard67

unions have outlived their usefulness. My wife is a teacher and is a member of the union. Oh, they have just had to re-negotiate their contract and reduce their wages. They did this without saying..."wait until the current contract expires" .

That is asinine.

The rest of us don't make $29.00/hour unless we have medical, pension, etc. taken out of that. Not starting with $70.00 and ending up with a NET $29.00 WTF!

I agree...Unions played an important role in regards to creating fairness and safety in the workplace, however, the UAW specifically has become way more than fair pay! I too am a teacher, and part of a union. My problem is the fact that I obtained a BS and a Master's degree (with all of the time, work, and $ that entails), must complete a min. of 6 semester hours every 5 years for cont. ed. (again time, $$) and I could have made more money leaving my HS and starting the line a few miles away from my HS in Lordstown, Ohio. Trust me I graduated with many people who chose this route and 12 years later many are still making more $$ than me, not to mention benefits, etc. No one who works in an unskilled trade should be paid as much as many UAW members are being paid. No one should have job security to the extreme of the jobs bank! No one should be given health care with no premium or co-pay (this leads to abuse-and as a result higher cost the the company footing the bill!!) No one should be hired at 18, work 30 years, and retire with a full pension they plan on collecting until 80-85! Retire at 48 and live retired on a pension for as many as 40 years! Seriously, it's a wonder any of the Detroit 3 stayed profitable at all--ever!! BTW, I have too opened a contract and taken concessions for my district, have taken 0% raises for 3 consecutive years, and I don't want to even talk about the increases to my health care premiums--and I am an educated, skilled, UNION member!!!

[dayvedayve]

The UAW's didn't go from pennies to riches. When the job was harder and more dangerous they had reasons to be paid more. Then as tech improved and safety improved things got easier but the pay steadily went up over the years just like inflation. It was not a big deal to the BIG 3 because they were making money and plenty of it. Now that the money is drying up, the calss for pay cuts appear. Well what about the suits. Nobody has demanded them to reduce their salaries. Except the 3 top CEO's were asked "if" they would work for a $1. But we all know that they would receive their money someway under the table. By the way. Does anybdy kow how much a petro chemical plant worker makes for sitting in a room infront of a computer pushing buttons while stuff is beng made. I do and it puts the auto workers to shame. Wonder if they will be asked to reduce their pay because gas is under $2 a gallon.... Dont even believ it for a minute.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by Rodrunner

It pains me to say this, but I'm again' ya on this one, fbodfather. There's no need to worry about selling our cars to other countries until we can first sell them in this country. We need to get our own American workers to quit penalizing the auto industry before we complain about foreign governments doing the same. We need to get our own house in order first.

True, unions have given us many bona fide, well deserved benefits in the past, but they've now grown to the point of overstepping their bounds.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by HeatherR

I agree...Unions played an important role in regards to creating fairness and safety in the workplace, however, the UAW specifically has become way more than fair pay! I too am a teacher, and part of a union. My problem is the fact that I obtained a BS and a Master's degree (with all of the time, work, and $ that entails), must complete a min. of 6 semester hours every 5 years for cont. ed. (again time, $$) and I could have made more money leaving my HS and starting the line a few miles away from my HS in Lordstown, Ohio. Trust me I graduated with many people who chose this route and 12 years later many are still making more $$ than me, not to mention benefits, etc. No one who works in an unskilled trade should be paid as much as many UAW members are being paid. No one should have job security to the extreme of the jobs bank! No one should be given health care with no premium or co-pay (this leads to abuse-and as a result higher cost the the company footing the bill!!) No one should be hired at 18, work 30 years, and retire with a full pension they plan on collecting until 80-85! Retire at 48 and live retired on a pension for as many as 40 years! Seriously, it's a wonder any of the Detroit 3 stayed profitable at all--ever!! BTW, I have too opened a contract and taken concessions for my district, have taken 0% raises for 3 consecutive years, and I don't want to even talk about the increases to my health care premiums--and I am an educated, skilled, UNION member!!!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by dayvedayve

What is with all the hate toward Unions. Do you think that any company would pay OT for work done after 40 hrs? Only after the labor laws were passed, hanks to the Union.
Do you think that companies would give you vacation and sick pay, oh yeah thank the Unions for that one too. Weekends, yep Unions help create that to. Dont for an istant ever believe that the protections the work force have today would be here if it wasn't for the Unions. The people that talk about how overpaid the auto workers are need to wise up.

I will agree with you that unions did infact do alot of good at one time. The problem is while they have done alot of good things they also create alot of "fat" in companys. I use to work for a Aerospace company who had plants in the US that where union and non-union. When you have one individual working for 15.00/Hr and another individual doing the EXACT same job making 45.00/Hr just at a different plant you are creating alot of excess for any company. When you cant be competitive in your OWN market there is something wrong. :flag2:

I am looking for the exact numbers on this right now but I know they where real close to this.

[LS 1st gen]

I can't fathom why people are so quick to jump on and attack a segment of our population that is key to maintaining a healthy middle class. Senators like Shelby and Graham should be called out for what they are...upatriotic and anti-american. The people that they're trying to beat into submission are middle class families trying to pay mortgages and send their children to college so they don't have to do the manual labor which so many people here think a monkey could do. All the while they will do everything they can to support those who have turned American on its ear and caused the situation in we're in to begin with. Open up your eyes people!

[PieNsky]

Oh those republicans Senators are doing a fine spin job and y'all are buying it Look, the 70 dollar an hour includes payments to those who are retired and their insurance.
CNN showed almost all who shot it down due to the UAW are from the South East and have Japanese transplants in their states. And were only talking a few hundred dollars labor per vehicle anyway. It wouldn't make a difference.
Fooking Mitch McConnel takes money from Toyota , it was in the Louisville paper.
The republicans are pissed that the UAW gives to mostly Democrats and are getting them back, screw the economy and the rest of the country. Oh BTW Mitch, there are two Ford plants and the Corvette plant here in KY besides the Toyota plant so get your head out of their azz and support KY workers. I'd guessing it would be a good chance that anything the UAW gives up, Toyota workers will be too.