The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by SS420

Ok, this is what we found out. When the 5.0 is mashed to the max...it's receiving 86% throttle. Has something to do with the drive-by-wire. When that's manipulated....to where you are getting the full 100% from the car. The Mustang 5.0 puts down 400RWHP!!! At the stock 86%..your getting about 365RWHP.
Either way....I feel cheated.

Confucius say..... "Bologna"

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Not sure I believe this. At what RPM ranges is the stock 5.0 redlined at? I'll guess somewhere around 6500 to 6800 RPM....so getting another 14% throttle would mean this car could max out at over a 7 grand RPM??? What that even be useful power?

I don't think you grasped what he meant by 86% throttle (even though it is bologna). Adding "14% throttle" wouldn't change where peak power is made.

FYI...the 5.0 makes peak power at 6600. One of the main advantages to a "tune" in the 5.0 is raising the rev limiter from the stock 6850 rpm (which really hurts for drag racing) to up over 7000 rpm. The usefulness of this is in letting the engine make more AVERAGE HP in each gear, by allowing higher rpm shifts, thus keeping the engine from falling too far out of its powerband when you engage the next gear.

I'd like to see a dyno... usually at a certain RPM torque starts to drop way off so I'm not sure how much benefit you'd get out of this even if it were true.

Torque starts to drop off after the torque peak, which in both the LS3 and especially the 5.0 is well below peak HP. I suggest researching the relationship between HP and Torque. Recommend not doing it on one of these forums.

I'm guessing what could be said is that while "mashing" it only gets you 86%, all these cars are drive by wire, and completely controlled via the ECU, so you know non of these cars (Camaro included) are getting the max possible throttle, b/c they are all redlined and cut off for warranty/durability purposes.

I don't buy it. I think both are getting full throttle. Of course their rpm is limited, not only for warranty and anti-stupidity purposes, but also because there is indeed an rpm beyond peak HP in which the production of useful power ceases.

It should be noted that in stock form, GM's limiter allows the driver to take better advantage of the LS3's powerband than Ford does with the 5.0.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

If the stang has the optional 3.73's then it's a close race but the longer the distance the better the camaro will do. Of course if you throw 3.73's or 4.10's in the Camaro the Camaro's torque will give it the edge.

Uncle.

[All-Or-Nothing]

If we're talking about a 2011 V6 Mustang vs. a 2010+ V6 Camaro the Mustang will KILL it whether it is an auto or a manual all day.

This is a fact.

[JerseyMonte]

I think the 3:73 gear in the Mustang helps a lot
in 0 to 60 and quarter mile times.

[spoone123]

Most of the time is the car from newer year vs older year. Like this one 2010 vs 2011 of course 2011 would more likely to win. 85% of the time XD

I don't know much about car, but as for me i would go for camaro. They look nicer, its a completely new look. You either hate it or love it. As for mustang vs camaro. Its like Nvida VS ATI video card. if you know what i'm talking about. Don't have that kind of money to spend.

[Ash1977]

Originally Posted by spoone123

Most of the time is the car from newer year vs older year. Like this one 2010 vs 2011 of course 2011 would more likely to win. 85% of the time XD

I don't know much about car, but as for me i would go for camaro. They look nicer, its a completely new look. You either hate it or love it. As for mustang vs camaro. Its like Nvida VS ATI video card. if you know what i'm talking about. Don't have that kind of money to spend.

The 2011 Camaro is the same car as the 2010 except for options(HUD). They have the same engine. The 2011 Camaros are already out.


Mark

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Why 'sad', considering the Shelby finished the Qtr in 12.35 seconds @115.75 mph, and pulled 1.01g on the skidpad?

Compare that, for example, to the Z51 Corvette, which the same testers ran 12.5@115.0, and .97g.....

It's all relative.......

"Our test car was a fully broken-in (1275 miles) early-production Z51 coupe, equipped with the NPP dual-mode performance exhaust, which reduces back-pressure by a whopping 80 percent at high engine speeds, adding six peak horsepower and four pound-feet, bringing the totals to 436 and 428, respectively....a blistering 4.1-second dash to 60 mph en route to a 12.5-second, 115.0-mph quarter mile."


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...tte/index.html

it's sad because it's the most pathetic 500+hp car out there. a 115 trap speed out of that kind of power is lame-o

[JusticePete]

You don't and that is why this thread is sso long.

[JusticePete]

Getting high RWHP cars to hoop on anything but full slicks is not easy. Track prep has a lot to do with it. I have run strips where all I do is spin two thirds of the way down the track. Other tracks the hook up is fast and sure.

[Black GT]

One day we were messing with my car on the dyno and the ECU recognizes WOT at 85% pedal position.
Maybe that was what they were talking about.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Getting high RWHP cars to hoop on anything but full slicks is not easy. Track prep has a lot to do with it. I have run strips where all I do is spin two thirds of the way down the track. Other tracks the hook up is fast and sure.

BINGO

[lil_chef]

or maybe he was talking about drivetrain losses....

[MartiMcFly]

Originally Posted by EnvyTerra

If the mustangs win, the camaro guys cry about the driver and some other excuses...
If the camaros win, the mustang guys cry about the driver and some other excuses...

In the end, either side will not admit any kind of defeat rendering the whole competition pointless even if there is clearly a faster average car.

That's what hardcore bias blinders do.

In the end these are mass production cars.

[SonnyakaPig]

I also test drove the new 5.0. I drove an automatic. These were my impressions as compared to my L99 SS:

First off, the 5.0 I drove was very ugly. The wheel package, bright red leather interior and little mini disc brakes did not look good.

Of course, when I started the engine, the Mustang exhaust note was very nice and I thought it sounded much better than the stock SS exhaust note.

I purposely drove the Mustang over an old and somewhat bumby asphalt road to test the live axle and see how it functioned with the entire car's suspension. I have to say, I didn't mind the live axle and the car felt pretty sturdy and smoothe on the uneven pavement.

But, I didn't drive very fast and and I didn't make any quick lane changes so I don't know how the live axle feels when you push things a bit.

The acceleration felt smoothe and linear. Even with the 3.15 rear gears the car picked up speed pretty well. I turned traction control off and launched the car a few times and although the car starts moving pretty well after about 30 mph, down low it didn't feel like it was close to spinning the tires. (However, it was a very hot day and the road and tires must have been pretty hot).

I can see how the manual with the 3.73 gears could deliver an excellent launch.

Did I miss something or is there no "manual" shifting option for the automatic? Also, is there a sport mode akin to the sport mode in the Camaro?

The vision in the Mustang is night and day compared to the Camaro -- so much better.

I really can't stand the retro gauges in the the Mustang -- very ugly to me.

The seats were comfortable but didn't feel as sporty as the Camaro. When you sit down into the Camaro you feel like you're getting into a sporty car and when you shut the door of the Camaro you feel like you're in a vault.

I have been thinking of getting a new Mustang or a new GT500. The GT500 appeals to me because the engine is built for boost, but I just wish the interior was a little more refined for the price.

Apparently, the Mustang options that I like are pretty rare because there are no models like I would want on sale in Southern California. I would go with the Kona blue (no stripes), black premium interior, Brembo brake package and the 3.73 limited slip.

Overall, I am very impressed with the new Mustang's performance. I wish the interior looked a little more refined (I wish the same thing for the Camaro). I also wish the automatic transmission had a better rear gear option.

I still like the way the Camaro SS looks compared to the Mustang GT. But I think the 2011 GT500 with the performance package looks the best.