The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[wbt]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Fair? These two cars run dead heats. I know. I have tested data logged both of them. You would be sorely mistaken to think this is not a fair match up. These almost perfectly prepared cars. It has take us a year to get them both this way. There is no way you throw a new car on the track and get results like this. In the racing world the first year a car runs it a shake out year. The second and third are the money years.

This is a more than fair match race. This is a war between a pair of well prepared equally matched examples of Detroit Iron.

I believe he was exhibiting a sarcastic overtone. I could be wrong.

My POV is from taking the best of the best and comparing them hence the 5.0 remark. Something like the GT350 combo for example. Just a thought.

Nothing wrong with a blown 4.6 however as that was the shining light at the end of a long dark tunnel for them.

[GrinderSS]

Originally Posted by Americanmuscle11

GM had quite a few more problems leading to the bailout then the UAW issue. Where should we start? GM up until recently use to have: Build Quality(bad), Designs (dated), Marketing (lack of), Business (poor management), What the consumer demanded(lack of). A few years ago GM did not compete well at all against anyone in the midsized segment. A very important segment in the automotive business. Now they're doing much better.
The reason why the new Camaro is the best built GM vehicle you've owned is do to the fact from day 1 it was designed, engineered and assembled right. This is the direction all future GM's are going and the way it should of been before. The Oshawa Plant is one of the highest ranked GM plants for quality.

There's no question GM had problems other than the UAW, but many of those problems were in no small part made worse, if not caused by, UAW policies. The bailout wasn't for GM, it was for the UAW, GM still entered bankruptcy which they would have done without the bailout. Had they not taken the bailout, GM could have gotten out from under the UAW thumb in bankruptcy court. What were they thinking?

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by wbt

I believe he was exhibiting a sarcastic overtone. I could be wrong.

My POV is from taking the best of the best and comparing them hence the 5.0 remark. Something like the GT350 combo for example. Just a thought.

Nothing wrong with a blown 4.6 however as that was the shining light at the end of a long dark tunnel for them.

like i said before i believe the gt350 and a saleen blown stang make about the same HP to the wheels. ford really should have put a more stout 6 speed in the car.

justice pete would you be able to get us a discount on the saleen body parts? the price tag on the hood alone is tough to swallow....

[GrinderSS]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

I'm sure he looked at one and probably sat in one..but the comment about the shifter is a problem..because everyone I've talked to, including my fiance (who drove both the M6 SS Camaro and the M6 5.0 Mustang) said the shifter in the Mustang is much better.

Try an MGW shifter in a Camaro and you'll know why I thought the Mustang shifter was sloppy.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by GrinderSS

Try an MGW shifter in a Camaro and you'll know why I thought the Mustang shifter was sloppy.

well thats not a very fair comparison then...

i love my MGW shifter too though

[8cd03gro]

I think both of those cars look damn near perfect. I like the wheels on the camaro more though. Lovin' the color scheme.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

like i said before i believe the gt350 and a saleen blown stang make about the same HP to the wheels. ford really should have put a more stout 6 speed in the car.

justice pete would you be able to get us a discount on the saleen body parts? the price tag on the hood alone is tough to swallow....

I am not so sure the transmission is the single limiting factor. I think compression is limiting the amount of boost.

I don't think the M6 in the Mustang is any less stout than the M6 in the Camaro and there are many Camaros pushing more to the wheels than the GT350.

Livernois just announced a new piston/rod package for the 5.0 that will allow upping the boost. (I.E. lower compression option and a higher compression option for the N/A and nitrous crowd.)

[JusticePete]

At Gingerman we pretty much run the entire course in 3rd and 4th so the 5 vs. the six is almost irrelevant. With the 19x10.5" wheel and 305/30/19 wheels we effectively raise the rear end gear. The Mustang came with a 3.73. Calculating the wheel change the Camaro runs a 3.73. Calculating the wheel change on the Mustang we are close to a 4:11. Wasn't there a discussion on how important rear end gearing is just a page or too ago?

These two cars BOTH run faster than some race cars at Gingerman. They are fast, very fast. They have excellent brakes. They are stable and predictable. I wish we had access to some European sports cars for benchmarking. I think our cars would shock people. They are iconic American Muscle that hold their won against most anything with four wheels. If you are a Camaro fan of a Mustang fan these cars prove that Detroit Iron is not only back, Detroit Iron is better than ever.

[oldtransam]

Originally Posted by henri26900

We just picked up a 5.0 for R&D here at Rksport...

Took the hood off and its so thin. We flipped it up side down and you can see it roll and dent as to move the hood side to side on the table. We'll fix that with a better hood.

So Chevy designed the Camaro hood so you could take it off and turn it upside down and roll it around on a table and not dent it?

I do that a lot, so this is important information for me. I don't care if the Camaro weighs 300 lbs more -- Those Chevy guys think of everything...

[BlackieRay]

Originally Posted by dmiller66

What's the big deal about having a Union sticker on the car?

A lot of nonsense. People blame the UAW, but everyone at GM was on the take and that killed the company, that and the product was awful.

Funny, even in bankruptcy GM sells more cars that Ford.

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by henri26900

I bet it handles great & and works well...it just looks cheap.

Because it is cheap. They're better for straight-line racing, though.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Gotta be better numbers in that car! Gotta be!" That's what we all said when intrepid road tripper Carlos Lago reported his results of the "GT500 Quadrathalon". We're never sure of test results obtained on the road. We don't know a lot about the tester the carmaker sent us away with. Are the tires fresh, or have they been heat-cycled 100 times, and getting old, hard, and slow? Was the car broken in properly or at the hands of a bunch of mad journos attacking a racetrack for the first time? Even though Carlos is a solid, consistent tester, we wanted another crack at the new 2011 Ford Shelby GT500 Mustang on our own test track, using our regular gear, etc. So we did it. And found a pinch and an inch here and there, but nothing overwhelming.


In summary, MT resident road tester and hot-shoe Scott Mortara got the 0-60 down to 4.1 seconds and peeled off consistent quarter-mile runs of 12.35 seconds at 115.75 mph. Grip? Yeah, we got grip. The new tires really are better: 1.01g average on the skid. Braking virtually identical at around 103 feet from 60 mph. With slicks, this 3800-pound musclemaker would run well under four seconds to 60. All friggidy day.


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

[Kyle2k]

Sweet more information we "get" to hear that will be brought into every thread that challenges thine hallowed Mustang

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Wow, they really messed up with those stripes. I think you can get the wide stripes if you want can't you?