Expert?!?!?!? Michael Moore?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Black5thgen]

I can't stand that ignorant Beeep.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

The moment this thread goes into party politics we will delete it.

I fully expect you all to keep the site rules in play, and trust that this won't get out of hand.

Having said that, as polarizing as Mr. Moore can be, I felt the warning was justified.

I'm staying out of this one. This is bound to get out of hand.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I'm staying out of this one. This is bound to get out of hand.

It shouldn't have to get into party politics at all. Moore is just an idiot, 'nough said.

[GTAHVIT]

OK, After a little bit of cleanup.

My apologies to any one who feels they are being censored.

Lets keep this ON TOPIC.

So, discussion on the matter of what makes some one an expert to comment on the current situation is what this thread is about. It seems that we agree Mr. Moore is not an expert and should therefore not been seen as credible...

And feel free to discuss how dumb his statements are also.

And feel free to discuss any one else that says similar junk...



Oh, and this is the last warning.

[Rallysport]

Mr. Moore most certainly is an expert. He is well versed in the act of OVEREATING. He is also well regarded as an expert in general sloppiness of appearance. Let's not forget his specialty....being an ignorant blowhard. See? Expert all the way!

[radz28]

Where, exactly, is under the Earth? Is that like Mars or Jupiter?

Has there even been an actual-factual connection between cars emissions and global warming?

[GTAHVIT]

Nope. But carbon emissions are believed by some to contribute to global warming. The other side of the argument says Global Warming is a natural occurance as part of the earth's cycle and carbon emissions have little to no effect on it.....

Fact: The earth is on a 3 to 5 year cooling trend. And the Polar Ice caps are growing again.

FWIW.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Where, exactly, is under the Earth? Is that like Mars or Jupiter?

Has there even been an actual-factual connection between cars emissions and global warming?

So far, evidence suggests that emissions of any kind, like the ones from gas-powered cars, could be bad for the environment. That is why we have CAFE. The evidence is strong enough to be believable and to pass in a court of law. Individuals on this site may not believe it, but all the scientists that aren't quacks seem to agree.

Now, I'd like to make a note about fuel efficiency. Like with all modes of production, there is a certain point where additional input does not generate more output or that more efficient use of the same input does not generate more output. In other words, using the standard of simply increasing fuel efficiency standards at the regulatory level sounds great in theory, but it ignores the possibility that fuel efficiency plateaus before the federally mandated amount. In other words, it may not ever be possible to produce vehicles that our society needs—busses, trucks, semis—at the mandated level of efficiency because there is the strong possibility that fuel efficiency may top out before it gets to 36 mpg for a V8 with torque. By raising CAFE standards, the United States is dooming the truck market, making it impossible to purchase a truck by 2020.

CAFE regulations that Michael Moore and a lot of other idiots support are based on the idea of making gas engines more efficient, but I pointed out that there will come a point where they simply can't get more efficient. We might not be there yet, but we can expect that gas engines as we know them today will not get much more efficient while maintaining their torque, horsepower, or other characteristics. Instead of mandating that gas engines get better, why don't we just mandate that there be more alternative fuel sources in the mainstream? It is clear that Congress wants to legislate on this, so we can't ask them not to do that. What we can ask is that they continue to support domestic flex fuel, electric, hydrogen, solar, and other technologies.

In summary, gas engines will hit a wall that they can't break one day. It will be a barrier between pretty efficient and what the government expects. Congress will bitch and moan that it isn't good enough because they like gas because Shell is putting money into their campaign budgets. It's very sad that they feel so committed to making gas better when they should be committed to governing their country well—as opposed to simply governing their country, which they barely do anyway—or investing in alternatives to gas. Yes—getting away from gas as a mainstream fuel source will be a very difficult process in the coming years. It will require millions of dollars per state to make gas the lesser fuel source.

I apologize for my rant, but it bothers me so much that they focus on the inefficiency of gas when they should be focusing on alternatives. Stop crying over gas and look at all the great other options there are. They're like babies crying that one Lego block broke when they have a 5-gallon drum full of other pieces.

I know that many of you disagree with global warming or even alternative fuels, but we have to accept that a lot of others do believe in these resources. The least we can do is look into the positives of some other sources of energy for our daily commutes. We'll still have our muscle cars for a long time.

[Camaro_Corvette]

I thought you were staying out of this one!^

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I'm staying out of this one. This is bound to get out of hand.

[WAY2FAST]

MM is a F'ing IDIOT!

[lalometalik]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I know that many of you disagree with global warming or even alternative fuels, but we have to accept that a lot of others do believe in these resources. The least we can do is look into the positives of some other sources of energy for our daily commutes. We'll still have our muscle cars for a long time.

[GTAHVIT]

I'm all about being Green. I'm all about getting off foreign oil in the short term and moving to alternative fuels in the long term.

I don't like grandstanding on the Global Warming stage and using it as a bully pulpit to grind an axe.

[CamaroSpike23]

you dont have to be an "expert" per se to have an intelligent opinion about something.

this thread needs to be changed to "Michael Moore Bashing Thread"

did any of you "bashers" with nothing real to add besides "he's a ****** and a ******" ever think about......

what if he's right?

what if he's not the only person in the world with this opinion?, what if its been a proven fact that the polar caps are melting?, that the govt should step in and have some control over production of automobiles so that it is more focused on transportation and not just making the company money while screwing over the rest of the world?

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

you dont have to be an "expert" per se to have an intelligent opinion about something.

this thread needs to be changed to "Michael Moore Bashing Thread"

did any of you "bashers" with nothing real to add besides "he's a ****** and a ******" ever think about......

what if he's right?

what if he's not the only person in the world with this opinion?, what if its been a proven fact that the polar caps are melting?, that the govt should step in and have some control over production of automobiles so that it is more focused on transportation and not just making the company money while screwing over the rest of the world?

Of course
He's just restating what other smarter people have said. It's not his own idea he just heard it somewhere else and is now restating it.