A Pony Car from Hyundai? - Page 3

SS4EVER · 12-03-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LarkVille

^Well put. The Genesis has managed to sneak onto that list. Hyundai might be thinking that they can steal customers who want muscle-type specs but without the muscle packaging. Hey I get it, this car looks like an Acura RSX and doesn't have a v8. But silently I think its competing with Camaro and Mustang. BMW and Lexus...not so much.

Right. Hyundai is going to be marketing the V6 Genesis coupe to rivals such as Infiniti's G37 Coupe, Audi's TT Coupe, BMW 1 series, just like they are marketing the Genesis sedan to other Mercedes, BMW's, Lexus, Infiniti, etc.

However the Genesis Coupe is going to compete with the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger most definitely. Granted its V6 competes very well against the V6 versions of the three mentioned above, but its price puts it in direct competition with the V8 versions that will squash it.

But I like the Genesis Coupe,

heck, if the turbo 4 costs around the same price of a Camaro V6 LS just upgrade the turbo and a few other mods and you could be having a 300hp Genesis like this...

BowtieGuy · 12-03-2008, 04:42 PM

It doesn't look like a pony car. When I first saw it I originally thought FWD tuner. The whole car looks hunched over the front wheels. It sweeps forward instead of backward. It doesn't give that appearance of resting on its rear haunches waiting for any provocation to pull a wheelstand. Just...no.

You know the old saying. If it looks like a tuner, walks like an tuner, and quacks like an tuner, then it is obviously a duck. Or am I missing something?

GatorBlue371 · 12-03-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SS4EVER

Right. Hyundai is going to be marketing the V6 Genesis coupe to rivals such as Infiniti's G37 Coupe, Audi's TT Coupe, BMW 1 series, just like they are marketing the Genesis sedan to other Mercedes, BMW's, Lexus, Infiniti, etc.

However the Genesis Coupe is going to compete with the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger most definitely. Granted its V6 competes very well against the V6 versions of the three mentioned above, but its price puts it in direct competition with the V8 versions that will squash it.

But I like the Genesis Coupe,

heck, if the turbo 4 costs around the same price of a Camaro V6 LS just upgrade the turbo and a few other mods and you could be having a 300hp Genesis like this...

and what exactly is so great about that?

Conflict · 12-03-2008, 05:44 PM

if that car was 18K it would be decent, but 33K??? I'd rather get a true American Machine

zebra · 12-03-2008, 06:35 PM

can you say RICE?

BowtieGuy · 12-03-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by zebra

can you say RICE?

But it's missing the wing! That thing is obviously slow.

*DGthe3* · 12-03-2008, 07:58 PM

Pony cars are a subset of muscle cars. The primary distinction was that pony cars were reasonably well handling. Pony cars are small to midsized 2+2 rwd coupes with an optional V8. Styling is typically long hood/short deck, though this is not always the case (Mustang Fastback).

Based on that, the Genesis coupe is not a pony car.

Inspector 17 · 12-03-2008, 08:04 PM

Lots of good thoughts here. I definitely think the styling has a lot to do with calling a car a pony car. Or frankly a muscle car for that matter. The Hyundai doesn't look the part, at least to me. But leads me to ask another question: are 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen Camaros also considered pony cars? Is the styling of a 4th gen the same as a 1st gen (in terms of calling the 4th gen a pony car)?

zebra · 12-03-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by camaropete

Lots of good thoughts here. I definitely think the styling has a lot to do with calling a car a pony car. Or frankly a muscle car for that matter. The Hyundai doesn't look the part, at least to me. But leads me to ask another question: are 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen Camaros also considered pony cars? Is the styling of a 4th gen the same as a 1st gen (in terms of calling the 4th gen a pony car)?

i'd almost only call the 4th gen a pony car because of the nameplate. i think it was the black sheep of camaro design. i never really cared for the body style with its relatively short hood that sloped down & was hard to see from inside (i like to be able to see the hood), the smooth round lines, and the really pointy nose. i'm glad they revisited the 1st gen styling with our new baby.

*GTAHVIT* · 12-03-2008, 09:43 PM

Hyundai does not equal Pony Car.

gtahvit's first law of muscletivity.

SS4EVER · 12-03-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

and what exactly is so great about that?

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Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

But it's missing the wing! That thing is obviously slow.

Slow? I bet it'd be faster than your SS 2.4 and my Cobalt SS/SC. A 3,549lbs RWD 2+2 seater with the same 2.0L block as the EVO, with just a few bolt ons and a tune, and maybe a larger turbo cranking out 300+ hp would also be quicker than a Camaro V6...

kevin2323 · 12-03-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SS4EVER

Slow? I bet it'd be faster than your SS 2.4 and my Cobalt SS/SC. A 3,549lbs RWD 2+2 seater with the same 2.0L block as the EVO, with just a few bolt ons and a tune, and maybe a larger turbo cranking out 300+ hp would also be quicker than a Camaro V6...

slightllllyyyyyy faster for 13k more....dont make me giggle like a piglet anymore.

BowtieGuy · 12-03-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SS4EVER

Slow? I bet it'd be faster than your SS 2.4 and my Cobalt SS/SC. A 3,549lbs RWD 2+2 seater with the same 2.0L block as the EVO, with just a few bolt ons and a tune, and maybe a larger turbo cranking out 300+ hp would also be quicker than a Camaro V6...

There's always that one guy who takes what I say quite literally.

*GTAHVIT* · 12-03-2008, 10:15 PM

^

Just one?

12-03-2008, 06:35 PM	#33
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12-03-2008, 07:58 PM	#35
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	Pony cars are a subset of muscle cars. The primary distinction was that pony cars were reasonably well handling. Pony cars are small to midsized 2+2 rwd coupes with an optional V8. Styling is typically long hood/short deck, though this is not always the case (Mustang Fastback). Based on that, the Genesis coupe is not a pony car. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

12-03-2008, 09:43 PM	#38
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	Hyundai does not equal Pony Car. gtahvit's first law of muscletivity. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

12-03-2008, 10:15 PM	#42
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12-03-2008, 04:42 PM	#30
BowtieGuy Enlightened Drives: Nothing Currently Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,285	It doesn't look like a pony car. When I first saw it I originally thought FWD tuner. The whole car looks hunched over the front wheels. It sweeps forward instead of backward. It doesn't give that appearance of resting on its rear haunches waiting for any provocation to pull a wheelstand. Just...no. You know the old saying. If it looks like a tuner, walks like an tuner, and quacks like an tuner, then it is obviously a duck. Or am I missing something?

12-03-2008, 05:44 PM	#32
Conflict Loving the F body Drives: 97 Firebird 3.8L 5 Speed Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palm Desert, CA Posts: 203 View My Garage	if that car was 18K it would be decent, but 33K??? I'd rather get a true American Machine

12-03-2008, 08:04 PM	#36
Inspector 17 I love crepes Drives: 2017 ZL1 NGM A10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,955 View My Garage	Lots of good thoughts here. I definitely think the styling has a lot to do with calling a car a pony car. Or frankly a muscle car for that matter. The Hyundai doesn't look the part, at least to me. But leads me to ask another question: are 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen Camaros also considered pony cars? Is the styling of a 4th gen the same as a 1st gen (in terms of calling the 4th gen a pony car)?