2010 Mustang Revealed!!!!

[swifttal]

Originally Posted by nester7929

You can have a favorite car and not be ignorant about the appeal of others.

True that, all I'm saying is if people are coming to a camaro site expecting people not to bash mustangs, you got a hard reality check comin

Kinda like this...

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by TonytheTiger

Your right tag, but sometimes it just grabs you and you have to defend your passion when some degenerate talks bad about it, but we could control ourselves, tag i've seen you rant about mustangs and challengers also.

ME? Rant about Stangs and Challengers?

....I bet the only bad thing I ever said about Ford and the Mustangs were there were way too many special editions out there. And for the Challenger, I'd bet the only things I said were that it had a cookie cutter interior (straight from a Charger) and that it weighed too much. Don't think I ever recall anything worse than that. Just a couple things I noticed about the other two. I'd still own'em if I could afford'em!

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by swifttal

True that, all I'm saying is if people are coming to a camaro site expecting people not to bash mustangs, you got a hard reality check comin

Kinda like this...

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

I just stated my honest opinion and I was not getting personal I just degraded the Shelby because it SHOULD HAVE IRS comon do we still live in the stone age with this ancient technology FORD is pushing , don't get me wrong I respect the Shelby name and it's history in fact I use to own a 05 Mustang GT but sold it due to it's lack of sophistication , I liked how it looked though hell I like the way a Shelby looks even better but again primitive is the word that comes to mind . Through these posts and others like minded we hope to send Ford a message to GET WITH THE TIMES and upgrade there vehicles to compete with the competition or they WILL BE LEFT BEHIND even the Challenger has IRS , it's a bit obese lol but at least it handles good eh , I certainly would not buy another Ford product in the near future but hey Ford has hinted at a all new MUSTANG in 2012 let's hope they do it right this time

Just try and be more subjective and talk in the third person instead of second person. Use the term "it" instead of "you" and "your" as you did. I know it may not seem huge but it does make a difference.

Personally I also love those Shelby stangs - they look absolutely bad ass. I also like the fact that they are behind the times because it means the Camaro is ahead of the times!

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by TonytheTiger

To be completly honest ford is in year 2002 right now, ........ford years? how old is a dog in ford years? if im 19 im 16 in ford years.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Regarding the modular Ford motors, the decision to replace the pushrod 302 with the 4.6 was not one made based on engine power output via technology but rather a corporate decision based on several things, the two major being:

1) Emissions. Stricter federal rules on emissions were coming around the bend and Ford felt that they would have an easier time meeting those standards with the mod motor than re-engineering the venerable pushrod motors.

2) Cost Savings. Ford understood that continuing to produce the pushrod motor in the Mustang and F150 while featuring the newer modular motors on the rest of their lineup meant more expense in manufacturing. By moving to a design that allowed Ford to use the same parts across all motors, regardless of displacement, meant they could significantly reduce the cost of building their cars.

I'm not sure there was ever an attempt by Ford to argue that the modular motors would allow them to produce more horsepower than they could have with the pushrod motors, not that they would be more efficient/powerful that the pushrod motors manufactured by their competitors. However, with the intrdouction of VVT on the new 3-valve heads, modular motors are making more power and have better effciency ratings; things that would likely have not been possible with the older engine series.

Sincerely - Thank you. I had not learned that perspective; well, I knew about the emissions-thing, but could never really understand why that was a problem. For example: take a look at the ports on LS1/LS2/LS6s. They're pretty close to the same idea as the 302s. I've never understood why they would be less efficient. I think the 302s had larger bores (which I've read some say takes the combustion flame longer to burn the contents of the combustion chamber and that sometimes it can't because it's too wide, therefore inefficient (sorry - that probably didn't make sense...) but we have pushrod engines so how are they so different when it comes down to efficiency, power, economy? If one was to put the same style combustion chambers on a 302 would it be as efficient as LSX-engines? I've never understood the physics of that...

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

You are correct solid axle is a primitive technology from the 60's and Ford should be embarrassed to still use it in there sports cars in 2008 , my god the Europeans have been using IRS for decades , it's time to get with the times FORD or be LEFT BEHIND

Why would they go from a IRS in the older Cobra to SRA in the current 500? I know that the subframe and all those other goodies added weight and cost, but so much that it wasn't beneficial enough for what is now Ford's halo car? It was fine-and-dandy when the GT was around, but what now? Don't get me wrong, I know SRA will get the job done, but it just seems to me one would want to take a step forward than back. Was it because there were more people who wanted 500 horsepower and a straight-line GT car than a corner-carver? I suppose I'd fall into the former, myself, quite honestly. I'm not trying to be dark, just thinking out loud

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Sincerely - Thank you. I had not learned that perspective; well, I knew about the emissions-thing, but could never really understand why that was a problem. For example: take a look at the ports on LS1/LS2/LS6s. They're pretty close to the same idea as the 302s. I've never understood why they would be less efficient. I think the 302s had larger bores (which I've read some say takes the combustion flame longer to burn the contents of the combustion chamber and that sometimes it can't because it's too wide, therefore inefficient (sorry - that probably didn't make sense...) but we have pushrod engines so how are they so different when it comes down to efficiency, power, economy? If one was to put the same style combustion chambers on a 302 would it be as efficient as LSX-engines? I've never understood the physics of that...



Why would they go from a IRS in the older Cobra to SRA in the current 500? I know that the subframe and all those other goodies added weight and cost, but so much that it wasn't beneficial enough for what is now Ford's halo car? It was fine-and-dandy when the GT was around, but what now? Don't get me wrong, I know SRA will get the job done, but it just seems to me one would want to take a step forward than back. Was it because there were more people who wanted 500 horsepower and a straight-line GT car than a corner-carver? I suppose I'd fall into the former, myself, quite honestly. I'm not trying to be dark, just thinking out loud

The SS will have 430 HP NA no blower , the GT500 has 500 HP blown that's only 70 more HP out of a blown Ford engine looks to me as if the Shelby will have more to worry about that just IRS once guys start putting Superchargers on the SS WOW good bye FORD these NEW CAMAROS will be pushing 700 + rear wheel HP with a good Supercharger (twin screw seem to be the best)

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

The SS will have 430 HP NA no blower , the GT500 has 500 HP blown that's only 70 more HP out of a blown Ford engine looks to me as if the Shelby will have more to worry about that just IRS once guys start putting Superchargers on the SS WOW good bye FORD these NEW CAMAROS will be pushing 700 + rear wheel HP with a good Supercharger (twin screw seem to be the best) and a few mods

I hate this argument. Yes,the SS will handle better than the GT500,no sh*t,but enough with the "oh,if i supercharge this it will beat that" garbage. You throw enough money into ANY car and you can beat whatever. How about that rocket powered new Beetle i saw on Letterman,i bet that would destroy both the SS and Shelby and guess what,nobody cares. Keep it stock if you're bench racing,because once the cars are modified,it's whoever has the bigger checkbook wins.

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

I hate this argument. Yes,the SS will handle better than the GT500,no sh*t,but enough with the "oh,if i supercharge this it will beat that" garbage. You throw enough money into ANY car and you can beat whatever. How about that rocket powered new Beetle i saw on Letterman,i bet that would destroy both the SS and Shelby and guess what,nobody cares. Keep it stock if you're bench racing,because once the cars are modified,it's whoever has the bigger checkbook wins.

bottom line is that the SS will be SUPERIOR in every way to the GT500 , FORD guys will just have to live with it

[gladiatoro]

[TonytheTiger]

I don't think the ss will beat the gt500 stock for stock but thats when the ls7 comes in and puts it to it's knees.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by TonytheTiger

I don't think the ss will beat the gt500 stock for stock but thats when the ls7 comes in and puts it to it's knees.

Oh but then the GT500 will be able to transform into an Autobot and smash the LS7
Let's keep it production cars or else we'll have to start talking about the '11 GT500 with its Aluminum 5.4 AND possible IRS but then again,if my aunt had wheels she'd be a wagon.
All eyerolling aside,an actual LS7 Z28 would be the car to end all cars,the Alpha and Omega muscle car of my dreams,but since it's still off the table,i'll dream of the GT5OOKR,but i'd change it's sucky wheels.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

bottom line is that the SS will be SUPERIOR in every way to the GT500 , FORD guys will just have to live with it

I think you're bi-polar,weren't you just annoying everyone with '11 5.0L GT talk about how it's going to be the greatest thing ever and now all you do is dog Mustangs
The SS might be superior in some ways,and in some ways it won't be,as a mostly Ford guy,i think i can live with that,it's not like either would be an embarassing site in my garage. With a combined HP of around 900,for just two cars,we truly are living in the best pony car era ever. Win-win for everyone,even though the Shelby is cooler looking.

[TonytheTiger]

blah! shelby smelby