Not entirely new: '11 SRT8 possibly up to 480 horse - Page 3

kevin2323 · 06-29-2010, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by lil_chef

if i recall correctly the 5.7 is actually a newer more sophisticated motor than the 6.1 and that the 6.4 is actually being developed off of that. and without putting my entire foot in my mouth i will attempt to say the 5.7 is being held back by the 6.1 since it is not allowed to step on big brother's toes.

yes the 5.7 is the engine in which all the new dodge motors are being based off of. it is an underrated motor, rated more towards the 39-395 hp region. so it doesnt need the 6.1 AT ALL. It needs to loose a few pounds and it is good to go.

either way non of this is relevant because the target sales isnt in the same realm as the camaro or ford.

Stew · 06-29-2010, 10:16 AM

6.1 is old tech at this point. It is not efficient enough and would cause the R/T to get hit with a gas guzzler tax. The 5.7 is underrated anyways. Also I don't really get the whole it has to compete with the GT500, it is still considerably cheaper than the GT500 and with the new 6.4 will off an interesting middle ground between the 5.0/R/T/SS and the GT500, especially as the 11 GT500 has picked up a decent price increase..

1bad65 · 06-29-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew

6.1 is old tech at this point.

The 5.7 isn't exactly a tribute to modern technology, it has speed density instead of MAF.

1bad65 · 06-29-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010 2-Tone

I have to disagree. I don't think it will be any faster than the SS even with the extra 50 or so hp. Everyone is and will compare, that is just the facts.

I agree with you.

One of the problems with the Challengers is launching them. Just jamming a bigger engine in the car won't help that issue. It may even make it harder to launch.

And of course you still have the weight factor.

SSC Super Venom · 06-29-2010, 11:14 AM

Well no doubt this car is in battling range with the GT500 even know it can't stand a chance. Any ways I think it will take the advantage on the SS and possibly the GT. That SRT-8 is with no doubt in my mind aimed at a different more mature audience who are die hard Mopar fans. Also I think even know I hate to say it there will be a Z/28 most definitly. The GT500 beat the snot out of the Grand Sport in every camparison from drag times to track times. Not to mention price. So that would leave the next Corvette in line up to a 70,000 dollar base price. So that no doubt gives a new Z/28 a good price range from 41,000 to 65,000 in my predictions. Or who knows it might not be a Z/28 we might see the Camaro fad die down and we will see the arrival of the monster Chevelle.

Stew · 06-29-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

The 5.7 isn't exactly a tribute to modern technology, it has speed density instead of MAF.

True, but it does have VVT and MDS, neither of which will work on the 6.1.

*radz28* · 06-29-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SSC Super Venom

Well no doubt this car is in battling range with the GT500 even know it can't stand a chance. Any ways I think it will take the advantage on the SS and possibly the GT. That SRT-8 is with no doubt in my mind aimed at a different more mature audience who are die hard Mopar fans. Also I think even know I hate to say it there will be a Z/28 most definitly. The GT500 beat the snot out of the Grand Sport in every camparison from drag times to track times. Not to mention price. So that would leave the next Corvette in line up to a 70,000 dollar base price. So that no doubt gives a new Z/28 a good price range from 41,000 to 65,000 in my predictions. Or who knows it might not be a Z/28 we might see the Camaro fad die down and we will see the arrival of the monster Chevelle.

I'm with you on the target audience. I kinda' think it's a shame, but maybe they've done the research to support this move

Can you site information for this statement? I keep finding different variations on the same review from Car and Driver.

Thanks

Corvette - 1st: http://blog.caranddriver.com/2010-ch...y-gt500-video/

Stew · 06-29-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

I agree with you.

One of the problems with the Challengers is launching them. Just jamming a bigger engine in the car won't help that issue. It may even make it harder to launch.

And of course you still have the weight factor.

Ah, remember it's basically just the manuals with the wheelhop issue, the Autos seem to launch very well, so we should definatly see a nice improvement with them.

Sleestack · 06-29-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by radz28

I'm with you on the target audience. I kinda' think it's a shame, but maybe they've done the research to support this move

Can you site information for this statement? I keep finding different variations on the same review from Car and Driver.

Thanks

Corvette - 1st: http://blog.caranddriver.com/2010-ch...y-gt500-video/

2011 testing is just now being published....

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e5587a29d6.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t500-road_test

2010 SSRS · 06-29-2010, 01:22 PM

C'mon GM , it is time to catch up with Ford and Mopar, get that Supercharged Z-28 into production.

*radz28* · 06-29-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleestack

2011 testing is just now being published....

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e5587a29d6.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t500-road_test

Thanks. I kept seeing '10 information and didn't want to stick my foot in my mouth... yet

It's not a stomping though... Braking and skidpad were close, but GS edged out the '11. The '11 edged the 'Vette in the 1320, but "only" by 0.1 and 1 MPH. It's sad to see that seat flopping around though; DOAH!

*DGthe3* · 06-29-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

I agree with you.

One of the problems with the Challengers is launching them. Just jamming a bigger engine in the car won't help that issue. It may even make it harder to launch.

And of course you still have the weight factor.

So, would you say that a Camaro SS with 4:10's, tune, intake, and exhaust would only be 0.1s faster in the 1/4? Because thats probably the rough equivalent to the changes being made to the SRT8's.

Sax1031 · 06-29-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleestack

2011 testing is just now being published....

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e5587a29d6.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t500-road_test

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Then again, the Shelby’s only real competition comes from within its own ranks. The Shelby positively slaughters rival pony cars from Chevy and Dodge.

My favorite part.

SSC Super Venom · 06-29-2010, 02:44 PM

I would take a GT500 over the Grand Sport anyways. It feels like it has more history to it. I had one in the late 80's. Sure it was a little outdated but I loved every minute of it. Thats why I bought the GT cause it was half the price and was almost as fast as the '10 GT500.

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Stew Drives: 92 Luminadead/01 Dakota/97 F150 4x4 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eastern, Ky Posts: 3,789	6.1 is old tech at this point. It is not efficient enough and would cause the R/T to get hit with a gas guzzler tax. The 5.7 is underrated anyways. Also I don't really get the whole it has to compete with the GT500, it is still considerably cheaper than the GT500 and with the new 6.4 will off an interesting middle ground between the 5.0/R/T/SS and the GT500, especially as the 11 GT500 has picked up a decent price increase..

06-29-2010, 11:14 AM	#33
SSC Super Venom Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Mustang GT + 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Hershey, PA Posts: 173 View My Garage	Well no doubt this car is in battling range with the GT500 even know it can't stand a chance. Any ways I think it will take the advantage on the SS and possibly the GT. That SRT-8 is with no doubt in my mind aimed at a different more mature audience who are die hard Mopar fans. Also I think even know I hate to say it there will be a Z/28 most definitly. The GT500 beat the snot out of the Grand Sport in every camparison from drag times to track times. Not to mention price. So that would leave the next Corvette in line up to a 70,000 dollar base price. So that no doubt gives a new Z/28 a good price range from 41,000 to 65,000 in my predictions. Or who knows it might not be a Z/28 we might see the Camaro fad die down and we will see the arrival of the monster Chevelle.

06-29-2010, 02:44 PM	#42
SSC Super Venom Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Mustang GT + 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Hershey, PA Posts: 173 View My Garage	I would take a GT500 over the Grand Sport anyways. It feels like it has more history to it. I had one in the late 80's. Sure it was a little outdated but I loved every minute of it. Thats why I bought the GT cause it was half the price and was almost as fast as the '10 GT500.