The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The cars were tested on the same day by the same mag in the 0-130 test. 1.8 seconds difference 0-130. In other words...100's of feet.

according to the edmunds.com (id use the motor trend comparo but i know you would cry foul) the camaro ran 13.1@109.4 and the Mustang ran 13.0@110.6.....so the mustang is already about 1 car length ahead and pulling a lil bit. You mean to tell me that within a span of 19.4mph (if the race had continued somehow) that the Camaro would pull HUNDREDS of feet???? i doubt you typed that with a straight face.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yep...the motor trend test where they nearly matched what Evan Smith could do in a new GT. He only ran a 12.69.

It is obvious the motor trend test got every last ounce form the GT. But yet they ran .2 tenths slower in the camaro than what they have done before.

But then yet again the Car and Driver test is skewed toward the camaro.

All I am saying is that it would be pretty hard for them to be off by almost 2 seconds. How hard is it to hold the gas pedal to the floor after the car is shifted into 4th or 5th gear (depending on which car) It is a safe bet to say the camaro may have a slight advantage to 130mph. Even in the motor trend video you can see the camaro gaining ground approaching the 1/4 mile mark. (which btw the camaro ran a 12.9 in that run to the stangs 12.8...but they decided not to publish that)

And who races to 130?....most street races on the highway go further than a 1/4 mile. And most races are from a roll. Usually 120-135 from my experience. 98% of bragging rights with these cars will be earned via highway street races.

street races are HIGHLY illegal and dangerous at those speeds and are not to be discussed in this forum. I dont condone putting innocent lives in danger in such ways

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

according to the edmunds.com (id use the motor trend comparo but i know you would cry foul) the camaro ran 13.1@109.4 and the Mustang ran 13.0@110.6.....so the mustang is already about 1 car length ahead and pulling a lil bit. You mean to tell me that within a span of 19.4mph (if the race had continued somehow) that the Camaro would pull HUNDREDS of feet???? i doubt you typed that with a straight face.

Or the Edmnds test where the camaro ran 13.0 @ 110.x? Or the other mustang in that test that only ran a 13.3? It wasnt clear and from most perspectives the mustang which ran quicker was on a different day.

And yes...in those 19.4 mph another car could pull a lot. It takes a LOT longer for a car to pull form 110-130 than it does from 80-100.

What is it 0-100 in around 10.5? and then 0-130 in around 18 seconds? 110 to 130 is almost another race in itself

Did you type this with a straight face?

I dont think it would be a 2 second difference...I am just saying the test isnt going to be off by a full two seconds...which I have said before.

But yes...in the car and driver test the stang was blown away by hundreds of feet to 130....but i guess this didnt happen whether it was accurate or not.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Or the Edmnds test where the camaro ran 13.0 @ 110.x? Or the other mustang in that test that only ran a 13.3?

And yes...in those 19.4 mph another car could pull a lot. It takes a LOT longer for a car to pull form 110-130 than it does from 80-100.

What is it 0-100 in around 10/5? and then 0-130 in around 18 seconds? 100 to 130 is almost another race in itself

Did you type this with a straight face?

100-130 is longer than 110-130.

I still call BS on one car pulling hundreds of feet on an equally powered car with what looks to be equal aero. Thats just common sense. And youre still talking about a theoretical street race, which is a BIG no-no.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yep...the motor trend test where they nearly matched what Evan Smith could do in a new GT. He only ran a 12.69.

It is obvious the motor trend test got every last ounce from the GT (for a mag review). But yet they ran .2 tenths slower in the camaro than what they have done before.

But then yet again the Car and Driver test is skewed toward the camaro.

All I am saying is that it would be pretty hard for them to be off by almost 2 seconds. How hard is it to hold the gas pedal to the floor after the car is shifted into 4th or 5th gear (depending on which car) It is a safe bet to say the camaro may have a slight advantage to 130mph. Even in the motor trend video you can see the camaro gaining ground approaching the 1/4 mile mark. (which btw the camaro ran a 12.9 in that run to the stangs 12.8...but they decided not to publish that)

And who races to 130?....most street races on the highway go further than a 1/4 mile. And most races are from a roll. Usually 120-135 from my experience. 98% of bragging rights with these cars will be earned via highway street races.

how is the motor trends 0-100 skewed???? they ran 10.7 0-100mph. for the camaro. Popular mechanics ran 10.74 and automotive.com ran 10.8, so the MT run is right in line and an excellent comparo.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

100-130 is longer than 110-130.

I still call BS on one car pulling hundreds of feet on an equally powered car with what looks to be equal aero. Thats just common sense. And youre still talking about a theoretical street race, which is a BIG no-no.

I agree.

But that wasnt the point I was trying to make.

Who really cares I guess...not worth arguing over. Not enough tests have been done to really know for sure anyway.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

how is the motor trends 0-100 skewed???? they ran 10.7 0-100mph. for the camaro. Popular mechanics ran 10.74 and automotive.com ran 10.8, so the MT run is right in line and an excellent comparo.

Camaro has run 0-100 in 10.5 in some other tests.

Show me another test where the mustang hits 0-100 in 10.2.

I am just saying it was one of the faster times for the mustang. And the 13.1 and 10.7 they ran in motor trend with the camaro is on the slow side. Not so much a lot slower for the camaro but they were really hitting good numbers with the stang. It is what it is I guess

Yeah I bet it is an excellent comparo. The comparos where the camaro is faster sure arent though lol

We can argue all day....Ive got better things to do. It is obvious which side you are on and which side I am on.

Have a great day....

[YLWJKT]

Ultra, I agree with you.
Till a bunch are out and actually pulling real times at the track we won't have a realistic handle on what they are capable of. The only 5.0 I've seen run lately barely cracked the 13's with a 13.98 pass. Granted this was in Texas heat, but it was a good driver.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Camaro has run 0-100 in 10.5 in some other tests.

Show me another test where the mustang hits 0-100 in 10.2.

I am just saying it was one of the faster times for the mustang. And the 13.1 and 10.7 they ran in motor trend with the camaro is on the slow side. Not so much a lot slower for the camaro but they were really hitting good numbers with the stang. It is what it is I guess

Yeah I bet it is an excellent comparo. The comparos where the camaro is faster sure arent though lol

We can argue all day....Ive got better things to do. It is obvious which side you are on and which side I am on.

Have a great day....

im on the Cobra side. Ive owned F-Bodies in the past, so im not strictly a Ford guy im just presenting info that the GT would NOT get pulled on by hundreds of feet within 110-130 thats all. Im sure some fools will post a video up soon enough. I think its POSSIBLE the edge might go to the camaro from a roll (or its probably a dead even race), but its highly unlikely itll be running away like that.

here is another 10.2 0-100 run btw: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...its-truth.html

and THAT guy ran 12.7 @ 111.5

MT did a 10.3 run on a seperate occasion as well.

seems 100mph- till the end of the 1/4 is about 2.5seconds for the Mustang and 2.4-2.5 for the Camaro, from the small sample that ive looked at.

[ULTRAZLS1]

I was talking about a published mag time. I am sure the test done by Evan Smith had 0-100 in around that time as well. I guess that would technically count.

I am sure people who have run 12.5-12.7 in the camaro have hit 0-100 in around the same time as well. But I guess I didnt clarify in the first place...so nice find I guess.

But yeah I agree it would probably not run away. I was simply implying that it would be something for the test to be off by 2 seconds and that the car pulled even further ahead from the 0-100 time. At the very least the camaro would have the edge is what I was getting at.

But the more I think about it 1 test doesn't mean whole lot....hopefully we see some more 0-130 data in the future.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

Ultra, I agree with you.
Till a bunch are out and actually pulling real times at the track we won't have a realistic handle on what they are capable of. The only 5.0 I've seen run lately barely cracked the 13's with a 13.98 pass. Granted this was in Texas heat, but it was a good driver.

I have watched 3 2010 SSs run mid 14s. One was even modded.

I guess the 2010 SS is a 14 second car at best.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I have watched 3 2010 SSs run mid 14s. One was even modded.

I guess the 2010 SS is a 14 second car at best.

Nope, I've seen a few go into the high 12's, and you're right, I've seen some 14 second ones too. However there's a bunch of Camaros out now, with varying skills and mods, but as I stated, till more 5.0's come out we really won't have a handle on what they realy can do.
I honestly do hope they're a low 13 / high 12 second car. Hopefully it'll light a fire under Dodge and Chevy to compete.
Competition is good for everyone, including Ford, but especially for us car guys.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

im on the Cobra side. Ive owned F-Bodies in the past, so im not strictly a Ford guy im just presenting info that the GT would NOT get pulled on by hundreds of feet within 110-130 thats all. Im sure some fools will post a video up soon enough. I think its POSSIBLE the edge might go to the camaro from a roll (or its probably a dead even race), but its highly unlikely itll be running away like that.

here is another 10.2 0-100 run btw: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...its-truth.html

and THAT guy ran 12.7 @ 111.5

MT did a 10.3 run on a seperate occasion as well.

seems 100mph- till the end of the 1/4 is about 2.5seconds for the Mustang and 2.4-2.5 for the Camaro, from the small sample that ive looked at.

Come the hell on, that's not a real time and you know it. I cannot believe ANYONE would try and post that as proof.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

i think it depends on what power levels youre trying to achieve. with better pistons and rods, the supercharged 5.0 engine will generate more power than the GT500's 5.4 mod for mod. But we dont know that for sure, but the headflow on the 5.0 might be enough to make up for its lack of displacement. Without those upgrades, you can easily make more power than a STOCK GT500 but will hit the limit of the rods i think.

i think with a good rod/piston the 5.0 has more power potential than the 5.4 in the GT500 and this is why...not only do the heads flow better, but it has a bigger bore, allowing those nice 4v heads to really inhale/exhale. the 5.4 has the same bore as a 4.5 (3.55 inches) and thats whats always held back the mod motor cars. i dont think the 5.4's extra stroke will help it as much as the bigger bore in the 5.0 will...plus ive always been a fan of de-stroking a 5.4 anyway