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[Mr. Wyndham]

I think we will see something remarkable happen between Mustang and Camaro in 2011+...(maybe; it depends on what 'refreshes' Chevy has planned)....

Assuming this 5.0L engine exists...then the Mustang will probably be a couple tenths quicker in the quarter mile. That's reasonable to assume...But the minute you set the two on a road course, I think the Camaro will tear the Mustang to shreds...Good.

Either way, they are going to be fierce competition, and that's what counts...I hate one-sided shootouts...

[truth411]

Yes I think the camaro is going to eat the mustang alive on a road course. It seems mustangs are just trending to be more of a dragster than a total performance car. Translation, pretty quick in a straight line and terrible at everthing else. As you can tell I am a road course type of guy, no disrespect intended to the dragsters on this forum.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by truth411

Yes I think the camaro is going to eat the mustang alive on a road course. It seems mustangs are just trending to be more of a dragster than a total performance car. Translation, pretty quick in a straight line and terrible at everthing else. As you can tell I am a road course type of guy, no disrespect intended to the dragsters on this forum.

Camaro will be the complete car.

Mustang will be a better dragster because of the SRA, camaro will be a FASTER car.

[Hylton]

What does the 2010 Mustang have that compares to this?

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by Hylton

What does the 2010 Mustang have that compares to this?

gauges that change color???

[truth411]

Camaro will be the complete car.

Mustang will be a better dragster because of the SRA, camaro will be a FASTER car.

I'm not so sure about that, The ford uses its 8.8" rear end, it's not that strong, at least nowhere near as strong as fords 9" rear. The 8.8" rear is there just because it is cheap. If the camaro IRS provides 0 wheel hop as has been said before on this site, then the camaro will be the better dragster too because it has over 100 mor hp. My brother use to have a 2003 svt cobra pumping 15 psi into the 4.6 thanks to a smaller pulley. It was WICKED even though it had a IRS, It still murderd everthing. Too bad he had to sell it. The 2003-2004 SVT cobras were the best mustangs ford ever made.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by syr74

In terms of acceleration the Fox body 5.0 cars were absolutely quicker, and for a lot less money. Some folks like to cite magazine articles were auto trans equipped 350TPI cars compared well to the fox body Mustangs, but out on the street and at the track the results never seemed to follow those Motor Trend and Car and Driver got with the 3rd gen F-body owners only recourse bascially being that they could press their copy of the magazine article against the window. The f-body cars would absolutely hammer the Mustang in the turns and were far, far sleeker and more modern looking. But in terms of speed, affordability, and tunability it wasn't close until 1993 when Chevy changed the game altogether.

I know from 1st hand experience that that's not accurate. I owned a bone stock 92 5.7 GTA and would beat 5.0's on the track and on the street. It was a close race with the coupe, but the torque of the 350 would pull it. 1986 was the last year the mustang could out run a Camaro in similar trim when both were produced.

Originally Posted by syr74

Before that, the 71 Boss 351 and 429CJ/SCJ Mustangs were easily faster than anything the Camaro could muster that year. Also worth mentioning, the 1968 428CJ Mustangs could easily handle anything GM threw at them in that year. I would compare the Boss Mustang's of 1969 and 1970 to the COPO Camaro's of 1969 but the truth is that neither of those cars ever seemed to make it anywhere near a dragstrip in truly stock trim, magically sprouting recurved distributors, aftermarket exhaust, and even different camshafts before being tested so I am uncertain we will ever know the truth about either of those vehicles.

Car's of the late 60's-early 70's were anybodys game. There was major underrating and addition of experimental parts from the factory. There were also factory freaks and numerous engines offered. 2 of the exact same car off the same line could run very different E.T.'s I'll agree with what you said here but I was referring to the modern EFI cars.

Originally Posted by syr74

Underrating ain't what it used to be, The truth is the SAE crackdown on the same (both over-rating and under-rating actually) has led to a situation where cars like the 03-04 Terminator and Ford GT, both of which were notably under-rated, simply don't occur on anything like that level anymore.

If you don't think underrating still exists then strap an LS3 C6 to a dyno

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I think we will see something remarkable happen between Mustang and Camaro in 2011+...(maybe; it depends on what 'refreshes' Chevy has planned)....

Assuming this 5.0L engine exists...then the Mustang will probably be a couple tenths quicker in the quarter mile. That's reasonable to assume...But the minute you set the two on a road course, I think the Camaro will tear the Mustang to shreds...Good.

Either way, they are going to be fierce competition, and that's what counts...I hate one-sided shootouts...

Well, the Camaro is getting the 3.73 option next year, which should fend off Fords new engine for 2011 and 2012. Also, I didn't read into your post that the Camaro is getting a new engine sometime. Nowhere did you say the Camaro is getting a new Gen V DIV8 engine in a few years. Not sure what compelled me to point out that

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Well, the Camaro is getting the 3.73 option next year, which should fend off Fords new engine for 2011 and 2012. Also, I didn't read into your post that the Camaro is getting a new engine sometime. Nowhere did you say the Camaro is getting a new Gen V DIV8 engine in a few years. Not sure what compelled me to point out that

Well...of course that could be maybe a possible chance of potentially happening...then you've got weight that could be addressed, gear ratios...aerodynamics...interiors...who knows??

Point is: The Mustang might finally catch up in 2011 in terms of performance for your dollar...but the General ain't done. Not by a long shot.

[Hesh]

I also noticed syr74 didnt bother to

A: read my post or
B: read it but didnt comment on it

Seems to be selective on what he wants to point out. Tho they are just rumors as well...

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

I know from 1st hand experience that that's not accurate. I owned a bone stock 92 5.7 GTA and would beat 5.0's on the track and on the street. It was a close race with the coupe, but the torque of the 350 would pull it. 1986 was the last year the mustang could out run a Camaro in similar trim when both were produced.

Looks like we are in a conundrum, because I had a 91LX notch and never lost to any tuned port F-body so long as the road was straight. This includes my brothers old 5.7L GTA which never could quite hang with me. The only third gen f-body I ever had trouble with stock was the anniversary turbo T/A, that car made me look like I was standing still, but I only ran across one of those during the time I owned the 5.0L although I had several different tries at his car.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Car's of the late 60's-early 70's were anybodys game. There was major underrating and addition of experimental parts from the factory. There were also factory freaks and numerous engines offered. 2 of the exact same car off the same line could run very different E.T.'s I'll agree with what you said here but I was referring to the modern EFI cars.

THis is one of the few areas where most muscle guys seem to agree in my experience. With the exception of a few years where the advantage/disadvantage was obvious it is simply too tough to tell.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

If you don't think underrating still exists then strap an LS3 C6 to a dyno.

I don't doubt they are under-rated, and I've seen them on the dyno, but IMHO they aren't the 475hp at the crank cars some seem to think they are. In my experience most folks use too generous of a correction factor on most modern cars and a little under-rating from the factory sometimes becomes exagerrated.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Hesh

I also noticed syr74 didnt bother to

A: read my post or
B: read it but didnt comment on it

Seems to be selective on what he wants to point out. Tho they are just rumors as well...

What are you talking about? Exactly what didn't I reply to? I see no other post from you in this thread.

[Hesh]

You obviously didnt look very hard...

[zebra]

y'all don't gettin your feeings hurt over whether or not somebody commented on your post. get upset if a mustang passes your f-body