The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

He is supposed to run that time with street tires.

Also that trap speed is way too slow for a 5.0.

What is going on here?

he only had one day at the track. Not everybody gets lucky and runs the best possible numbers on their first day.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

How can you possibly be so sure of this??? This is a BRAND NEW engine from ford that has little to no aftermarket support(yet), yet you seem to know how its going to react to future mods that arent even developed??

I mean the damn thing just got its first CAI, as far as I know it has no long tubes, no throttle bodies, no intake manifolds, no camshafts, no heads (though i did hear a shop or two are experimenting with porting the stock cast heads), and surely no aftermarket heads, etc etc.

Rant over.

Because once you start hitting big big numbers that 6.2 is simply going to be meaner, imo. I have no way of knowing this, but the camaro has taken very very well to f/i and spray.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

WOW!! If this is true about being NA it is just plain amazing!! Doesnt matter what they did to whether it be taking weight out or full bolt ons with suspension upgrades. As far as I know the first CAI just came out for these cars, so im pretty certain this was all done with stock displacement, stock camshaft(s),stock intake manifold, and stock heads which is just insane!!

Screw all this crying and excuses, im a "hemi guy" and have no problem facing the facts that this new mustang is top dog plain n simple. The car is faster than our current hemi's and Gen5 camaros, PERIOD.

Men lie women lie NUMBERS DONT. It usually takes big displacement and some sort of power adder to get our hemi's and your Gen5's in 10sec territory, this car is doing it with stock engine with bolt on's NA!!

yea but its got weight takin out,solid axle, skinnies, slicks....blah blah blah blah save it! The car ran the number! THE END.

I'd be willing to bet that if you did the exact same thing to the 5th gen and got it down to the weight of this particular mustang, it would run similar numbers.

I am in no way dogging the stang. Truly impressive, and a marvelous engine they got going, but I would wager money that the LS3/L99 would be capable of the same exact feat if the weight was made to match that of this mustangs.

[8cd03gro]

He ran a 12.6 at 112 on the street tires with an OK 60' for his driving. He'll definitely go faster.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

I'd be willing to bet that if you did the exact same thing to the 5th gen and got it down to the weight of this particular mustang, it would run similar numbers.

I am in no way dogging the stang. Truly impressive, and a marvelous engine they got going, but I would wager money that the LS3/L99 would be capable of the same exact feat if the weight was made to match that of this mustangs.

I definitely agree, but to get the weight of the camaro down to the weight of the 5.0 with weight reduction would be VERY hard. You already have to take off about 300 lbs to match the 5.0's stock weight, then more for what they shaved off. Interior bits only weigh so much. You'd have to start replacing suspension and drivetrain components with lighter pieces, using lots of carbon fiber, maybe lexan. The weight is definitely a key advantage in drag racing, along with the solid rear. It's going to be great though. Once the aftermarket opens up for the 5.0 you better believe there will be more aftermarket demand for the ls3/l99 which means more parts. It's going to be crazy on both sides.

I'm not going to go back and quote it, but whoever said evo muddied the waters with weight reduction, I agree. Taking out simple things that usual drivers do like the spare, jack and all that is cool, but I'm anxious to see exactly what they did. I'm not surprised though, evo goes number hunting HARD when new vehicles come out. They were the first into the 10's, 9's and 8's with a gt500 lol and they'll probably do the same with the 5.0

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

I'd be willing to bet that if you did the exact same thing to the 5th gen and got it down to the weight of this particular mustang, it would run similar numbers.

I am in no way dogging the stang. Truly impressive, and a marvelous engine they got going, but I would wager money that the LS3/L99 would be capable of the same exact feat if the weight was made to match that of this mustangs.

I agree with you but thats just the thing though,it would be near impossible to get a 5th Gen down to the weight of a decontented 5.0. You would probably have to start chopping the car up. Even then you would have to convert it to a solid axle to match the 60foot times of the 5.0, with both cars being bolt on's. The mustang is just better suited for the drag strip is what it comes down to, IMO.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

not sure about race gas but they did a bit of weight reduction yes. and past 43 yrs? including 2003-2009?

Or most of the decade of the '80's.

[SweetSandMan]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

However, not taking anything away from them! I am excited for them to do the twin turbo 5.0, as that's the option I want to go with.

Doesn't look like that's going to happen without a complete rebuild from what I've been reading

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Because once you start hitting big big numbers that 6.2 is simply going to be meaner, imo. I have no way of knowing this, but the camaro has taken very very well to f/i and spray.

Whipple has been doing some testing on their supercharger kits for the new 5.0 and I think it's something like 7psi is the most they recommend on the stock block. I'll try to find the thread on it...

[ironpeddler]

They have to be using race gas. Evolution Performance has been the top shelby gt500 modder for a while now. The fact they did this doesn't really suprise me.

[gameovergt]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Dude, you must be running at Thunder Valley and we both know nobody runs good at that track brother. It is not real world there it is Purgatory. I can say for sure that my 4th gen was every bit as fast as my new fith gen dont ask me why or how it just is and I have yet to run my 5th gen.

TVR is horrible on Friday TNT night. Best could get my 2004 Mustang GT was 13.9 @ 108 with 2.7 60 foot times.

Not many of us can drive our cars to there potential.

[VetteMaro]

They used 100 octane race gas in that run. Read their Facebook page.

[VetteMaro]

Plus evolution's 5.0 has some severe weight reduction that VERY few customers will do. The thing doesn't have mirrors or a muffler. Still damn impressive though!

[VetteMaro]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Every single modification they have done to the car, I can assure you somebody in this thread has done. In fact, if the mod-list is still the same, I have done all of them. How is the "bolt ons only" list defined on this website? Would this car not fall into that category? It's a drag only car when it's on slicks, but change the wheels and tires to some streets and drive it home. It's not running a powerglide and some crazy huge lopey cam. It has exhaust, clutch, wheels/tires, a dyno tune and a few suspension mods. It's not in street trim with the wheels and tires it's running, but it's not a drag only car. It's not some tubbed race car with lexan windows, it's a street car with slicks and skinnies on it. I'm not saying anyone will go out and run those times with the same mods, but they ARE very simple and fairly cheap modifications and it shows the potential is there.

i guess that car has about 400 pounds removed from it, lets wait for that ford mag to come out so we know the exact mod list.. Dont forget that it also has 100 octane race gas. Check evo's facebook page.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I definitely agree, but to get the weight of the camaro down to the weight of the 5.0 with weight reduction would be VERY hard. You already have to take off about 300 lbs to match the 5.0's stock weight, then more for what they shaved off. Interior bits only weigh so much. You'd have to start replacing suspension and drivetrain components with lighter pieces, using lots of carbon fiber, maybe lexan. The weight is definitely a key advantage in drag racing, along with the solid rear. It's going to be great though. Once the aftermarket opens up for the 5.0 you better believe there will be more aftermarket demand for the ls3/l99 which means more parts. It's going to be crazy on both sides.

I'm not going to go back and quote it, but whoever said evo muddied the waters with weight reduction, I agree. Taking out simple things that usual drivers do like the spare, jack and all that is cool, but I'm anxious to see exactly what they did. I'm not surprised though, evo goes number hunting HARD when new vehicles come out. They were the first into the 10's, 9's and 8's with a gt500 lol and they'll probably do the same with the 5.0

seems that the biggest issue you Camaro guys is obviously weight...but the IRS as well. does anyone make a 12 bolt that can replace it?