Mustang preparing for its rivals

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by acscamarochick06

Oh, and just for old times sake lol: :tweetz:

This seems to be the new Camaro5 universal symbol:tweetz::
:tweetz:"hi, how ya doing?"
:tweetz:"I like that post"
:tweetz:"Yeay, Camaro"
:tweetz:(anything goes...almost.)

[AirGoya]

Dragoneye, well played sir.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Rock36

Some of my thoughts on the matter.

First Topic:

I'm not sure which 4.6L Mustangs that were being beaten with that straight six 4.8L engine from 1978. I don't see it being stronger than any of the smaller modular 4.6L V8 engines from 1996 to present even if it has more displacement. Take the new M3, that V8 is a paltry 4.0L and will destroy both engines.

I would imagine that straight six 4.8L from almost 30 years ago has heads that don't flow very well, a conservative cam, and is still carburated. Also, since it is the an engine from the late 70s it probably also has a really low compression ratio which also robs performance from the engine despite its larger displacement.

I couldn't actually find stats on the 4.8L engine mentioned (there was only a 4.1L that I can find) but the highest output from a 1978 Camaro was the LM1 5.7L engine that produced 185hp@4000 and 280ft-lbs of torque @ 2400 rpm. The 4.1 L inline 6 from that year only makes 110hp, so I would guess a 4.8L I6 would be somewhere between 110 and 185hp.

http://www.camarosource.ca/php/camar...pecs&year=1978

the engine I have is a 292 4.8L inline 6. it was made as a truck motor but was installed in my car. I contacted my local dealership when I got the car and they informed me that some engines were "left over" and were put into the base model camaros. (like how some 4th genners out there have LT4 motors left over from the vettes). it has a custom cam from Clifford performance 264 cam is ground at .206 @ .050, ported and polished heads, 4bbl 650cfm carb, 3-speed on the floor out to a 12 bolt rear end with 3.73's. I have never dyno'd her but the fastest 1/4 run Ive had so far is 12.6

and there's a turbo system in the works.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

the engine I have is a 292 4.8L inline 6. it was made as a truck motor but was installed in my car. I contacted my local dealership when I got the car and they informed me that some engines were "left over" and were put into the base model camaros. (like how some 4th genners out there have LT4 motors left over from the vettes). it has a custom cam from Clifford performance 264 cam is ground at .206 @ .050, ported and polished heads, 4bbl 650cfm carb, 3-speed on the floor out to a 12 bolt rear end with 3.73's. I have never dyno'd her but the fastest 1/4 run Ive had so far is 12.6

and there's a turbo system in the works.

I've never cared much for inlines...I don't know why, either. But that setup sounds awesome, Camarospike!

[DGthe3]

dragoneye, you should know that only facts are allowed to be posted on the internet and never opinions or speculation. All the more so on a website dedicated to a car that is over a year from production. All calculations need to be exact and estimations need to have a stated margin of error. On top of all that, you continued a fight or 'flame war' by defending you position. you have broken all these rules (in this very thread) and should therefore be banished from the internet









and if you believe that you deserve

[Stig]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

oh, Damn. Another Mistake...one out of them All...shit. I feel like a real Tard. :eek: You've got to be kidding, right?

I don't care how much, or how little you think you were ragging on me.It came out awfully agressive, or is that just me? I DON'T like being told to "Stop Talking", or to "Shut up". Or that I have no idea what's being put in the Cars, yet I talk. That really pisses me off - yet I thought I did a good job not attacking, or calling anyone names.

I'm sorry that I typed my engine volume numbers wrong. of course - that's the last mistake I'll ever make!

Okay, the whipple needs more than just the blower - So what?!?! The rest of my argument steps all over that lack of evidence! Whatever - be picky, it provides some comic relief - cause I know you can't be serious about all this.

Unfortunately for you, this is a Camaro Forum. Since none of us have any idea what's going where, Our job is to talk...Our job is also to have some fun, So I made a crack about the Mustang - one of hundreds. I'm sorry what I said (which was a rag on the Mustang, btw - or couldn't you tell that?) was only 99.8 % true. I'll have to do better next time.

I am proud - as everybody who posted backed me up to some degree except you. Eh, I can survive without your support, I guess.

I'm Done, I hate arguing with people who look for arguments.


Back on topic, I don't think there's anything that can prepare the Mustang for the Camaro's release...I wonder how many Mustangs will be traded in to the Chevy dealerships?

Look whos talking, get the **** over it.

I already told you I was done as well.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

dragoneye, you should know that only facts are allowed to be posted on the internet and never opinions or speculation. All the more so on a website dedicated to a car that is over a year from production. All calculations need to be exact and estimations need to have a stated margin of error. On top of all that, you continued a fight or 'flame war' by defending you position. you have broken all these rules (in this very thread) and should therefore be banished from the internet









and if you believe that you deserve

I am humbled. Never again will I speak....

Okay. THAT was funny!

[Stig]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

dragoneye, you should know that only facts are allowed to be posted on the internet and never opinions or speculation. All the more so on a website dedicated to a car that is over a year from production. All calculations need to be exact and estimations need to have a stated margin of error. On top of all that, you continued a fight or 'flame war' by defending you position. you have broken all these rules (in this very thread) and should therefore be banished from the internet








and if you believe that you deserve

OMG, will you guys please get over it, Facts dont need to be perfect, but they at least need to be accurate.

Not to mention, its hard to tell sometimes through words whether or not someone is being sarcastic. But i still stand by my points, and to be honest, i really dont care who disagrees, thats there right, but i dont need a story on it either.

[Stig]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I am humbled. Never again will I speak....

Okay. THAT was funny!

OMG

[Mr. Wyndham]

Somehow...I knew that was coming.


EDIT:

WOW...There is some serious time lag going on here. The "that was funny" post was in response to DGthe3...

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

the engine I have is a 292 4.8L inline 6. it was made as a truck motor but was installed in my car. I contacted my local dealership when I got the car and they informed me that some engines were "left over" and were put into the base model camaros. (like how some 4th genners out there have LT4 motors left over from the vettes). it has a custom cam from Clifford performance 264 cam is ground at .206 @ .050, ported and polished heads, 4bbl 650cfm carb, 3-speed on the floor out to a 12 bolt rear end with 3.73's. I have never dyno'd her but the fastest 1/4 run Ive had so far is 12.6

and there's a turbo system in the works.

Hey that is quite an interesting set up man, I wouldn't have expected something like that. A N/A 6 cylinder running mid 12s that pretty fricken cool! Do you remember your trap speed from that run? Hell you are beating on 4th gens too and not just Mustangs if you are running mid 12s. Nice

[Rock36]

About the supercharger modification. I'll at least point out where I thought there was the issue. The statement:

"You can never expect a 50% increase in power from just a supercharger....maybe a SC, tune, full exhaust, intake, and some cams"

Now, all of those things that are listed are power adders in and of themselves.

For instance on the list from JDMs 425 rwhp kit....

Saleen S/C
• Tuner
• Air Kit
• 90MM Mass Air
• Mass Air Harness
• 39 LB. Injectors
• 3.60 Upper Pulley
• K061080 Gates Belt
• Vaccum Line Kit
• Saleen Extreme Inlet Tube

The only thing on that list that adds power is the supercharger itself, the pulley adds more power than the base setup, but the pulley is part of the supercharger itself. None of those supporting modifications will give power to the car by themselves, with the exception of the tuner, but a tune is always needed for a supercharger going on a computerized engine. It isn't fair to seperate them because it is impossible to have one without the other, especially on the new Mustang.

You could argue that the extreme inlet tube adds more power to the package, but maybe an extra 10 rwhp at the most which would still leave the package with over 410 rwhp if you used the factory airbox.

I guess my point is that supporting modifications like fuel injectors aren't the same as saying you need a full exhaust upgrade and new cams to make over 50% power with a S/C.

I'm not trying to start stuff again, but that is how I took a look at that argument.

[Stig]

Originally Posted by Rock36

About the supercharger modification. I'll at least point out where I thought there was the issue. The statement:

"You can never expect a 50% increase in power from just a supercharger....maybe a SC, tune, full exhaust, intake, and some cams"

Now, all of those things that are listed are power adders in and of themselves.

For instance on the list from JDMs 425 rwhp kit....

Saleen S/C
• Tuner
• Air Kit
• 90MM Mass Air
• Mass Air Harness
• 39 LB. Injectors
• 3.60 Upper Pulley
• K061080 Gates Belt
• Vaccum Line Kit
• Saleen Extreme Inlet Tube

The only thing on that list that adds power is the supercharger itself, the pulley adds more power than the base setup, but the pulley is part of the supercharger itself. None of those supporting modifications will give power to the car by themselves, with the exception of the tuner, but a tune is always needed for a supercharger going on a computerized engine. It isn't fair to seperate them because it is impossible to have one without the other, especially on the new Mustang.

You could argue that the extreme inlet tube adds more power to the package, but maybe an extra 10 rwhp at the most which would still leave the package with over 410 rwhp if you used the factory airbox.

I guess my point is that supporting modifications like fuel injectors aren't the same as saying you need a full exhaust upgrade and new cams to make over 50% power with a S/C.

I'm not trying to start stuff again, but that is how I took a look at that argument.

So basically your saying that if I add these 3 things on my car RIGHT NOW, it wont do anything at all...

• 39 LB. Injectors
• Air Kit
• 90MM Mass Air

I understand your point, but you cant say they arent power adders, because they are.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Power adders, sure...but I shouldn't think they'd add any significant power...the injectors are needed to cope with the extra air fored in by the blower, so all they would do is burn Way more fuel than the engine would need stock...from what I remember (can't go back a page without losing this post) the 90mm Mass Air was for the blower's intake...so it wouldn't help the engine too much...And I can't say I remember what the air kit was for...I posted all that stuff really fast.