The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by chrisx66

Aren't you still driving a Mustang from that decade?

How about getting your 2011 Mustang, go to the track, post your timeslip, and then you'll have room to talk.

LOL no, I'm driving a land rover at the moment and won't be getting an ss or gt because I can't drive it year around in Colorado. Room to talk about what? You think a clipping of an article about an ls1 and a bullitt is at all relevant here? Should I have said, "oh you're right, since the ls1 was faster than the mustang until 03, that must make the new mustang slower than the new camaro." That makes perfect sense. Someone has got their panties in a bunch. If the thread was called "ls1 vs pre-03 mustang drag times" you might have a point, but I don't know about you, but I doubt the mustang in that article had a 5.0 in it. I think it was proooobably a 2v 4.6

[2010 SSRS]

GM needs to give us Camaro guys gear options

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Bolt on GT...ok man. It has slicks and skinny's with suspension work and is cutting a 1.4 60 ft. Bolt ons, tune, weight reduction...it has something like 420rwhp...not far from a heads and cam ls1.

It runs good yes...right where it should for the power and weight...nothing new.

Uhhh, what would you call it if it's not bolt ons? It doesn't have any power adders or internal mods. Yeah, it makes something like 420rwhp.... And? Of course it runs right where it should for power and weight, that's called physics. Thank you for proving my point with "not far from a heads and cam ls1." So what exactly is your point? The times are not impressive because they aren't impossibly fast for the power/weight ratio or going back to 1975 at 88mph? I don't know where you're trying to go with this. You posted about a head/cam ls1 running in the 9's with over 500 lbs of weight reduction and basically said you weren't impressed with this bolt on gt running 10's, and yes it is a bolt on gt.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Power Adders (Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger)

1. Brooksracing/LMR - 9.91 @ 124 mph, (427 ci, Supercharger F-1R, LS7 Heads, Built 6L80 E, Stall, Skinnies, 18'' Hoosiers, (A6)

Who cares who did it? It's not like the modifications would do any less on another car. A magazine paying for what? Dyno time on their own dyno a FEW bolt ons and some tires?

Huh? You really think there's no difference between a guy spending a set amount of time and money on a car than a shop having the backing, funding and time to build and test? I'm not saying they're not impressive, but I'd like to see the same thing done for both cars for comparison purposes. No need to get defensive.

[ULTRAZLS1]

So everything besides doing internal engine work is bolt on? this car also has weight reduction and an aftermarket clutch. still bolt on? It is a track only car for petes sake.

I know what you mean by bolt on...but you make it sound simple like anyone can put some slicks and a tune on a mustang and run 10's. This car has been worked over by professionals up and down and ran down the track many many times. I wouldnt call this mustang simply a "bolt on" car.

[SWAT 79]

This is a very valid point, however the car being used is a simple bolt on vehicle, not that expensive and nearly anyone could do it.


Your argument is perfect however for applications like full built motors, f/i, nos, etc.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Huh? You really think there's no difference between a guy spending a set amount of time and money on a car than a shop having the backing, funding and time to build and test? I'm not saying they're not impressive, but I'd like to see the same thing done for both cars for comparison purposes. No need to get defensive.

I agree with you, but my point is it's not like Evo sat there and tested different cam profiles and porting. They put an exhaust system on the car, put in some control arms, some bracing and tuned it on their dyno then slapped on some lightweight wheels and slicks. I could do all of it in my garage with limited tools besides the tuning, which I could pay to have done. If you had a '11 GT and 5k or so for the bolt ons, wheels/tires and dyno time, you could go to Evo and have the exact same thing done. These are bolt ons. They didn't CAD up some new-fangled design that your average joe can't do. They simply put some bolt ons, that are available to everyone, on the car and tuned it. It's not a miracle.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

So everything besides doing internal engine work is bolt on? this car also has weight reduction and an aftermarket clutch. still bolt on? It is a track only car for petes sake.

I know what you mean by bolt on...but you make it sound simple like anyone can put some slicks and a tune on a mustang and run 10's. This car has been worked over by professionals up and down and ran down the track many many times. I wouldnt call this mustang simply a "bolt on" car.

Every single modification they have done to the car, I can assure you somebody in this thread has done. In fact, if the mod-list is still the same, I have done all of them. How is the "bolt ons only" list defined on this website? Would this car not fall into that category? It's a drag only car when it's on slicks, but change the wheels and tires to some streets and drive it home. It's not running a powerglide and some crazy huge lopey cam. It has exhaust, clutch, wheels/tires, a dyno tune and a few suspension mods. It's not in street trim with the wheels and tires it's running, but it's not a drag only car. It's not some tubbed race car with lexan windows, it's a street car with slicks and skinnies on it. I'm not saying anyone will go out and run those times with the same mods, but they ARE very simple and fairly cheap modifications and it shows the potential is there.

[DeathChill]

I am pretty excited to see more shops get their hands on the car; I am wondering how the numbers will differ.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Every single modification they have done to the car, I can assure you somebody in this thread has done. In fact, if the mod-list is still the same, I have done all of them. How is the "bolt ons only" list defined on this website? Would this car not fall into that category? It's a drag only car when it's on slicks, but change the wheels and tires to some streets and drive it home. It's not running a powerglide and some crazy huge lopey cam. It has exhaust, clutch, wheels/tires, a dyno tune and a few suspension mods. It's not in street trim with the wheels and tires it's running, but it's not a drag only car. It's not some tubbed race car with lexan windows, it's a street car with slicks and skinnies on it. I'm not saying anyone will go out and run those times with the same mods, but they ARE very simple and fairly cheap modifications and it shows the potential is there.

I agree for the most part. But in my opinion changing a clutch is not bolt on or simple...or cheap (unless you can do it yourself)

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

is this an accurate statement?

Yes, but the slow ones w/ a lot of big power mods, have a bunch of money and throw a bunch of different parts on a car w/ no real thought as to how they work together. So in the end they have more money than car knowledge not to mention there isn`t much hindsight for this platform yet as to what works and what doesn`t. I`ve done pretty well putting it together so far. Plus the guys making big power who have put a good setup together are running good times, they are just few and far between. The IRS is more a problem for the manual cars, the auto`s aren`t having the wheel hop trouble.

Perfect example would be why would you run a centrifical blower on an l99 that can`t rev up to take advantage of the power on stock internals because of the afm lifters. Now the LS3 works great w/ a centrifical, you can spin it up. But theres people running the centrificals on a stock internal L99, wheres the sense in that? when you can run a Whipple(soon to be released) or Kenny bell and make your power early since you can`t rev the L99 in stock internal form. There are many other examples, this is just one of them.

[fazm]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Also, the times on the fast list are by members, where Evolution has a magazine paying for everything so they can focus on getting great times. I would like to see the same thing done for both cars; would be an interesting comparison I'd imagine.

However, not taking anything away from them! I am excited for them to do the twin turbo 5.0, as that's the option I want to go with.

the magazine is NOT paying for it, dont spread rumors geez.

evolution performance is footing the bill

[fazm]

be nice to see if they gave the camaro gear options, and the ss available with 18s, and non brembos (save money and weight at the same time)

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by fazm

the magazine is NOT paying for it, dont spread rumors geez.

evolution performance is footing the bill

Are you sure? Someone specifically said (Mustang guy) that Evo didn't have the money so the magazine was footing the bill. Maybe they were wrong? Do you have any proof or are you just assuming?