Mustang almost revealed

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Try 40K+ on the stickerBut people are paying that plus a markup,pretty stupid to pay 100K for a Mustang,that's Porsche 911 money.............the queenmother of all things holy,i'd be damned to buy a Mustang over one of those.

i was just going on msrp not dealer markup...thats kimda sad, i actually saw my first gt500kr on the road the other day, being pulled over and getting a ticket

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by headpunter

i was just going on msrp not dealer markup...thats kimda sad, i actually saw my first gt500kr on the road the other day, being pulled over and getting a ticket

For being overpriced?








and before anyone says it I will...
"no it was a srt8"

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

If you knew anything about dodge you would know there is a hold on all 2009 srt8s...I am about to cancel my order and grab one off the lots...because dodge did it wrong giving dealers the cars first. BTW as much as I hate the LX platform...it owns the gt by any means....thesrt8 beats the gt but then you will use your repetitive excuse of "oh no the rt is the gts competition"...well guess what the RT runs>?? 13.1 in the quarter mile....and there are timeslips to back it up. Oh and top end...well ...let's not even go there.

The fact is the mustang is old , needs an update(not the crappy one they are giving it in 7 days) needs IRS and 400+hp to keep up....and the looks need a major change too IMO. So take yourself and Ford , sit down and find a way to compete with dodge and chevy in the NA performance market..

Yeah,the NA market,i think that's called the Bullitt,which will bitchslap that big-boned R/T of yours,not to mention the '10 GT which should put that final nail in the R/T coffin. The SRT is junk for the money,you're on a Camaro message board,why not just get the faster car for 10K less or just go buy one of the dozens and dozens of '09 SRT8's on Ebay,Autotrader,Challengerforums,Challengertalk... ....why the special order? There's only 3-4 colors and probably the same number of options,just go buy one,how personalized can you make it? Or just buy the Camaro and forgo the shame of having the next gen of SSR/T-bird/Prowler gimmick cars like the Dodge will be.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

I would think you argument would be better if you had not included the Challenger. Shoehorning a years old Charger/300 fatass platform under a sexy coupe body doesn't say to me that Dodge has "prioritized" performance,it says to me it half-assed shat out a pony car with a glandular problem,it IS pretty though,and fast,but no competition for a Mustang. My god,they barely changed the interior,could Dodge have done less as possible?
I think the '05-09 Mustang GT and later GT500/GT500KR and Bullitt speak for themselves as to how Ford has "prioritized" performance. These are cars released in basically a vacuum,Ford didn't even have to do anything special once the F-body went away,and yet,we still have a 540HP Mustang,wait until the '10 GT and GT500 is unveiled before you give up on Ford. The Camaro has it on paper,but as the last F-body proved,being a superior car doesn't automatically earn you sales,these aren't 215HP GT's anymore,a guy couldn't go wrong choosing either a Camaro or Mustang these days.
But the Challenger as competitonthat thing has been left for dead,i give it 2 more years,it's a pretty car for being a fatass though.

You're putting the Mustang on a pedestal and ripping on the Challenger for sharing a platform. It's hypocrisy to say that the new Mustang is a vast improvement on the old platform. Side-by-side comparisons between new and old Mustangs will be like comparing concept and production Camaros. It's ridiculous to call one a vast improvement over the other. They look the same. They will perform the same.

Sales are a different matter. There are so many factors in every sale, that I simply don't care to talk about it. Having more sales isn't up for discussion right now as the Camaro simply doesn't have any in the market yet. Until it hits lots, sales discussions are speculative and, therefore, ridiculous.

As far as performance, the Challenger is ahead of the Mustang. The Camaro, of course, will beat the Challenger due to similar horsepower numbers and a significant weight difference. The Mustang wins on the scale, but track performance is lackluster. Road performance is even worse by comparison because the primitive suspension setup employed by Ford simply doesn't feel good to drive. I test drove one, so I'm talking from experience. Moreover, the Mustang's only performer is the V8, much like the Challenger. This is where the Camaro is a clear winner. Even the V6 platform was taken seriously by the manufacturer. Instead of a gimp, the Camaro LS, riding on steelies, will punish both the Challenger and Mustang V6s. When comparing models, we can expect that the one that is clearly superior will have the largest sales numbers, but I've said before that we can only guess. Since the V6 represents the highest volume of all 3 cars, it's really a wonder that only GM came to the conclusion that making a competitive V6 matters.

In any case, the new Mustang is an old Mustang with the laziest facelift in domestic history. To call the new Mustang an update is a substantial overstatement. All it represents is saggier headlights and a fresher interior. The Challenger shares the Chrysler-dominating 300 platform. As a result, it lazily has all the same features inside as all of the other cars on that platform. It's still nicer than a Mustang, though.

I'm not trying to be cruel here. From the standpoint of someone who likes American cars, I feel thoroughly let down by Ford's lack of competitive will. The Mustang GT has owned the market for long enough for Ford to settle into a very boring place when it comes to performance. Instead of competing with the titans of the automotive industry, Ford has settled into a place where beating Civics was enough. Fortunately, Chevrolet aimed high when designing the Camaro SS, making a car with top-notch design and unparalleled performance.

[Georgie]

the challenger looks cool; i think they nailed the design in what they were going for. the camaro design is not my cup of tea but i have to see it in person; mustang is my choice because of heritage and it represents to me, part of the american dream... but the most bada-- domestic sports car is this:









that thing is beyond wicked. i'll take one with no stripes in grey, green or blue. d--m... any color really

[drivingincamaro]

Originally Posted by Georgie

the challenger looks cool; i think they nailed the design in what they were going for. the camaro design is not my cup of tea but i have to see it in person; mustang is my choice because of heritage and it represents to me, part of the american dream... but the most bada-- domestic sports car is this:









that thing is beyond wicked. i'll take one with no stripes in grey, green or blue. d--m... any color really

I love the looks of the viper and the vette

one of my neighbors has a viper and it looks awsome. but the sound of it just makes me want to

[Georgie]

ah man! sounds awesome looks even better

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Georgie

the challenger looks cool; i think they nailed the design in what they were going for. the camaro design is not my cup of tea but i have to see it in person; mustang is my choice because of heritage and it represents to me, part of the american dream... but the most bada-- domestic sports car is this:









that thing is beyond wicked. i'll take one with no stripes in grey, green or blue. d--m... any color really

I think I love you now...



no homo

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

You're putting the Mustang on a pedestal and ripping on the Challenger for sharing a platform. It's hypocrisy to say that the new Mustang is a vast improvement on the old platform. Side-by-side comparisons between new and old Mustangs will be like comparing concept and production Camaros. It's ridiculous to call one a vast improvement over the other. They look the same. They will perform the same.

Sales are a different matter. There are so many factors in every sale, that I simply don't care to talk about it. Having more sales isn't up for discussion right now as the Camaro simply doesn't have any in the market yet. Until it hits lots, sales discussions are speculative and, therefore, ridiculous.

As far as performance, the Challenger is ahead of the Mustang. The Camaro, of course, will beat the Challenger due to similar horsepower numbers and a significant weight difference. The Mustang wins on the scale, but track performance is lackluster. Road performance is even worse by comparison because the primitive suspension setup employed by Ford simply doesn't feel good to drive. I test drove one, so I'm talking from experience. Moreover, the Mustang's only performer is the V8, much like the Challenger. This is where the Camaro is a clear winner. Even the V6 platform was taken seriously by the manufacturer. Instead of a gimp, the Camaro LS, riding on steelies, will punish both the Challenger and Mustang V6s. When comparing models, we can expect that the one that is clearly superior will have the largest sales numbers, but I've said before that we can only guess. Since the V6 represents the highest volume of all 3 cars, it's really a wonder that only GM came to the conclusion that making a competitive V6 matters.

In any case, the new Mustang is an old Mustang with the laziest facelift in domestic history. To call the new Mustang an update is a substantial overstatement. All it represents is saggier headlights and a fresher interior. The Challenger shares the Chrysler-dominating 300 platform. As a result, it lazily has all the same features inside as all of the other cars on that platform. It's still nicer than a Mustang, though.

I'm not trying to be cruel here. From the standpoint of someone who likes American cars, I feel thoroughly let down by Ford's lack of competitive will. The Mustang GT has owned the market for long enough for Ford to settle into a very boring place when it comes to performance. Instead of competing with the titans of the automotive industry, Ford has settled into a place where beating Civics was enough. Fortunately, Chevrolet aimed high when designing the Camaro SS, making a car with top-notch design and unparalleled performance.

Oh,you test drove a GT,nevermind me,you're the expert I was laughing at your "prioritize" performance statement,which Dodge has done the bare mininimal of with the Challenger. These Civics that the Mustang can beat,barely by your standards,must be pretty badass because the Mustang beats all Challengers at every trim level,so these "Civics" must have a field day with the porky Challenger. Dodge had 5 years to come up with a Mustang-beater and they couldn't even match the outgoing model,talk about "prioritized" performance......ohhhh,it's a nicer car,it has a nicer ride,go put on a dress. That's a wussy argument,ohhhh,a Accord is a nicer car than a SS,it rides better
Keep this to real cars,like the Camaro and Mustang. I know you're not clear on what makes a real car,being the owner of a Impreza,but try to keep up.oops,i didn't mean to be cruelI'll say it again,the Challenger is dead in 2 years,it's the new Mercury Marauder.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Yeah,the NA market,i think that's called the Bullitt,which will bitchslap that big-boned R/T of yours,not to mention the '10 GT which should put that final nail in the R/T coffin. The SRT is junk for the money,you're on a Camaro message board,why not just get the faster car for 10K less or just go buy one of the dozens and dozens of '09 SRT8's on Ebay,Autotrader,Challengerforums,Challengertalk... ....why the special order? There's only 3-4 colors and probably the same number of options,just go buy one,how personalized can you make it? Or just buy the Camaro and forgo the shame of having the next gen of SSR/T-bird/Prowler gimmick cars like the Dodge will be.

oh you mean the 1000000000000000000000000th badged mustang with 15 more hp and some stickers and rims? that doesnt help track times....last I checked the old bullitt had more hp than the new one...kinda sad IMO...nice try again ford.

[Georgie]

if i had the money to burn... man!

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Oh,you test drove a GT,nevermind me,you're the expert I was laughing at your "prioritize" performance statement,which Dodge has done the bare mininimal of with the Challenger. These Civics that the Mustang can beat,barely by your standards,must be pretty badass because the Mustang beats all Challengers at every trim level,so these "Civics" must have a field day with the porky Challenger. Dodge had 5 years to come up with a Mustang-beater and they couldn't even match the outgoing model,talk about "prioritized" performance......ohhhh,it's a nicer car,it has a nicer ride,go put on a dress. That's a wussy argument,ohhhh,a Accord is a nicer car than a SS,it rides better
Keep this to real cars,like the Camaro and Mustang. I know you're not clear on what makes a real car,being the owner of a Impreza,but try to keep up.oops,i didn't mean to be cruelI'll say it again,the Challenger is dead in 2 years,it's the new Mercury Marauder.

fanboy alert fanboy alert.....


definition=thinks his dream is a reality.

take a stock RT manny vs a gt manny....or auto vs auto RT wins...go research and check out the timeslips.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Georgie

if i had the money to burn... man!

saw one with black stripes rolling up to the miami auto show this past weekend.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

fanboy alert fanboy alert.....


definition=thinks his dream is a reality.

take a stock RT manny vs a gt manny....or auto vs auto RT wins...go research and check out the timeslips.

I enjoy how everyone but the GM "fanboys" are talking shit. Keep tearing each other a new asshole! It's fun to watch.