The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

It is about both torque and horsepower. Diesels have torque. The Coyote 5.0 has horsepower. The LS3 has both.

gearing is why a torqueless wonder 96-98 cobra can run 11's with a stock short block. bolt-on 96-98 cobra = 315rwhp/270rwtq shifting at 7000rpm.


torque is not technically how any work(racing) is performed. work performed over time is called horsepower. the low end torque your ls-3 makes calculates to hp. (work performed over time)


he who does the most work in the shortest amount of time wins the acceleration battle with all other things being equal. add gearing to increase the amount of tire patch pulling, and you get the winner. a 5.0 properly geared will do exactly the percentage (more or less) of actual acceleration that it's gearing and power curve compared to an ls-3. if any motor does the same amount of work over time as another, but it does it at higher rpms, and is geared to take advantage the higher rpm motor will do more actual pulling. but if the motor with less rpms and more torque does more work over time(hp) it wins.

torque in itself does nothing to anything. its just basic physics.

[Sax1031]

Off topic Assasinator but 32,980 is a hell of a deal for the GT w/3.73s and the brembo brake package.

The first time I played with the configurator(sp?) before it went public I was under the impression you had to get the premium package to get the brembo brake package. Glad I was wrong.

[assasinator]

a really gearing optimized SS, should be able to minimize the weight disadvantage a little.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Off topic Assasinator but 32,980 is a hell of a deal for the GT w/3.73s and the brembo brake package.

The first time I played with the configurator(sp?) before it went public I was under the impression you had to get the premium package to get the brembo brake package. Glad I was wrong.

and minimum weight.

my next car WILL be a CTS-v. for touring.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by SonnyakaPig

.....I can't even imagine the kind of power you've driven on a daily basis....

it is the burden all Cobra owners must bear LoL

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I definitely agree it will be a drivers race.

I do think an automatic GT will have more of an advantage on a automatic SS though.

That's what it's starting to look like I think it'll still be close - within a few tenths That might be close enough

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Here's the gear break down.

SS

1. 3.01.7.9/52
2. 2.07/11.6/77
3. 1.43/16.7/110
4. 1.00/23.9/157
5. .84/28.5/157
6. .57/42.0/157

3.45


GT

1. 3.66/5.8/40
2. 2.43/8.7/60
3. 1.69/12.51/86
4. 1.32/16.0/110
5. 1.00/21.1/146
6. .65/32.4/146

3.73

Who makes the tranny for Ford? Sheesh - only one overdrive?

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I don't know about the burnout thing.

Looks to me the guy tried in the Camaro but didn't in the Mustang or Challenger.

I got that sense too. Maybe they didn't try in the other two I'd like to have seen attempts for the other two, just out of curiosity.

[radz28]

It'd be nice to see some confirmed production car runs. I wonder how much of what we've seen has been preproduction models. I still think the 'Stang might pull ahead a bit, and that it's going to be a driver's race, but bench racing is all about tenths, lol.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by radz282003

It'd be nice to see some confirmed production car runs. I wonder how much of what we've seen has been preproduction models. I still think the 'Stang might pull ahead a bit, and that it's going to be a driver's race, but bench racing is all about tenths, lol.

I am with you on wanting to see what customer/production cars put down on the dyno and run at the track.

[DeathChill]

So is this online yet or what? I am interested in the article.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

So is this online yet or what? I am interested in the article.

Car and Driver (June 2010) magazine. Mine came in the mail today.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by wbt

Some pretty good discussion going on. I will say what tipped me towards the Camaro was the detuned nature of the 6.2. I personally believe the Coyote (5.0) is pretty much at it's limit in N/A form from the factory. Bolt on per bolt on will produce much less results than the 6.2. I don't plan on going F/I so this is a big deal for me.

Intake
Cam
Ported heads
Exhaust
=
500WHP on the 6.2 and for a reasonable price.

Not going to get that with the 5.0 period. Take the ~200lbs. weight advantage of the Mustang and pencil through it. Not gonna matter. Bolt on vs. bolt on the Camaro will own.

F/I may prove to be a closer match. Time will tell.

remember that. we'll se how close to 500rwhp a coyote gets. you may be suprised how much that 200 lbs matters.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

all that adds up to big money......stock intake manifold? stock valvesprings? stock throttle body? stock MAF? stock fuel pump? stock fuel injectors? stock gears? stock timing chain? stock rockers? stock pushrods? stock valves? when its all said and done, 500rwhp is not just a few boltons away. Shoot, the stuff you just listed already puts it at close to $4000 i believe and then plus all the stuff you forgot to put? not to mention that 500whp is probably without catalyctic converters and youll never pass smog with a lopy idle (and polluting more). You might just be better off buying a supercharger kit!

Sorry but I guess your lack of knowledge of the LSx motors is showing here.

Stock intake. (By intake I am referring to a CAI in my original list)
Stock rocker arms.
Stock TB.
Stock pushrods.
Stock lifters.
Stock MAF.
Stock fuel pump.
Stock injectors.
Stock valves.
Stock timing chain.

And yes it is all achievable with cats. It is literally a few bolt on's away with ported heads and a tune. Sorry to burst your bubble. No need to put words into someone's mouth....

[wbt]

Originally Posted by assasinator

remember that. we'll se how close to 500rwhp a coyote gets. you may be suprised how much that 200 lbs matters.

Sounds great. Bookmark it in your browser if you like.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by wbt

Sorry but I guess your lack of knowledge of the LSx motors is showing here.

Stock intake. (By intake I am referring to a CAI in my original list)
Stock rocker arms.
Stock TB.
Stock pushrods.
Stock lifters.
Stock MAF.
Stock fuel pump.
Stock injectors.
Stock valves.
Stock timing chain.

And yes it is all achievable with cats. It is literally a few bolt on's away with ported heads and a tune. Sorry to burst your bubble. No need to put words into someone's mouth....

what words did i put in your mouth???they were questions. I still cant find anyone doing what you listed with stock cats though.

still, $4,000+ for only the things you listed + gaskets and labor, it doesnt sound like its much of a bargain compared to forced induction, even at 6 or 7 psi

edit: or should i say, maybe closer to $8,000

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19873

im sure theres slightly cheaper ways to do it but thats a good ball park figure i think.