The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[FrankT]

It's ALL about torque, baby! I'd like to see a comparison in the torque curves between the two engines.

[SGOS252382]

Car and Driver used a 2SS/RS ($36,465.00) for the lastest testing.

$3485.00 more than the GT's ($32,980.00)

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

It's definately going to come down to who's the best driver. By no means will the 11 Mustang GT walk away from the Camaro SS like a lot of people have been saying.

I definitely agree it will be a drivers race.

I do think an automatic GT will have more of an advantage on a automatic SS though.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by FrankT

It's ALL about torque, baby! I'd like to see a comparison in the torque curves between the two engines.

The problem with the Mustang's torque curve is that it's not really a curve...more like two lines joining at a right angle.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Do we know if they also tested the Camaro SS that day? By the looks of the pictures in the link you provided, Car and Driver also had a Camaro SS at that location. The pictures in the Car and Driver Magazine of the SS appear to be from the same location.

You know I didn't even look at the pictures. Good eye. Looks like they were tested together.

[Sax1031]

If it was all about torque we would all be driving diesels.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I definitely agree it will be a drivers race.

I do think an automatic GT will have more of an advantage on a automatic SS though.

Yes I do. I still think its a driver's race (not everyone knows how to get a good time from an automatic), but the Mustang will have a slight advantage.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

I'm just going off the magazine. The stats listed for the Mustang include 3:73 gears and 6 speed manual.

"We expected the Mustang to smoke the Camaro in the sprints, but this turned out to be one of the suprises. The Mustang matched the Camaro to 60mph at 4.6 sec, limited slightly by an extra upshift, but it trailed by half a second to 100mph, and in the quarter mile:13.2@ seconds at 109mph vs 13 flat at 111mph.

Am I reading that right. The Mustang with the manual had to go to 3rd before 60, despite a 7000 RPM redline? If so, it almost sounds like 2nd in the Mustang is about the same ratio as 1st in the Camaro.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Am I reading that right. The Mustang with the manual had to go to 3rd before 60, despite a 7000 RPM redline? If so, it almost sounds like 2nd in the Mustang is about the same ratio as 1st in the Camaro.

The manual tranny in the Mustang is geared pretty aggressively. Ford has kind of an MO for that with their manuals they put in mustangs.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

If it was all about torque we would all be driving diesels.

It is about both torque and horsepower. Diesels have torque. The Coyote 5.0 has horsepower. The LS3 has both.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The manual tranny in the Mustang is geared pretty aggressively. Ford has kind of an MO for that with their manuals they put in mustangs.

That was a bit shocking when I first saw it. I've driven a 2005 GT several times, and that goes to 70 in 2nd with a 6000 redline. I know there are 6 gears now, but that is still a big difference. With that gearing, why could the Mustang only muster a burnout 1/3 as long as the Camaro, with nothing in 2nd?

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Am I reading that right. The Mustang with the manual had to go to 3rd before 60, despite a 7000 RPM redline? If so, it almost sounds like 2nd in the Mustang is about the same ratio as 1st in the Camaro.

Here's the gear break down.

SS

1. 3.01.7.9/52
2. 2.07/11.6/77
3. 1.43/16.7/110
4. 1.00/23.9/157
5. .84/28.5/157
6. .57/42.0/157

3.45


GT

1. 3.66/5.8/40
2. 2.43/8.7/60
3. 1.69/12.51/86
4. 1.32/16.0/110
5. 1.00/21.1/146
6. .65/32.4/146

3.73

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

That was a bit shocking when I first saw it. I've driven a 2005 GT several times, and that goes to 70 in 2nd with a 6000 redline. I know there are 6 gears now, but that is still a big difference. With that gearing, why could the Mustang only muster a burnout 1/3 as long as the Camaro, with nothing in 2nd?

I don't know about the burnout thing.

Looks to me the guy tried in the Camaro but didn't in the Mustang or Challenger.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Am I reading that right. The Mustang with the manual had to go to 3rd before 60, despite a 7000 RPM redline? If so, it almost sounds like 2nd in the Mustang is about the same ratio as 1st in the Camaro.

so what happens if i powershift mine? maybe the extra shift isnt a big deal eh?