The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Little factoid: one time a Camaro and Mustang launched at the same time and the launches were so strong it caused the world to spin backwards. You can take that fact to the bank. The money bank.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Not exactly sure.

I think it is a loop hole in the EPA testing. They can get by with testing the base car and add the option for gear and not have rate again for gearing.

Originally Posted by syr74

I worked with the epa and NHTSA on a certain project, and while it wasn't the focus of what we were doing it did invollve fuel economy and as such I can tell you from my own experience that the EPA does not require re-cert. for optional axle ratios. You certify with whatever the standard ratio is and that's it.

Then Chevy should drop a set of 4:10 rear gears in and see what happens...

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

General rule of thumb for drag racing. ET=Launch/traction MPH=Indication of horsepower (if you ran the cars side by side in a roll race on the highway, two cars with equal traps would make a great race....traction is out of the equation)

That's not always true, either. Trust me, if you and I are rolling at anything less than 75mph and punch it, my car is going to have traction issues.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

It is obvious the mustang is faster and I will not argue this. Most just dont accept it is by .4 tenths. I would agree by the numbers we have so far that the cars will have about a .2 tenth difference between them all things being equal.

It's funny that a lot of the same people that won't accept that there is a four tenths difference between the 2011 Mustang GT and the 2010 SS Camaro do believe that there is only a .1 difference between a 2010 Camaro SS and a 2010 Shelby GT500.

Originally Posted by Sax1031

When I had my 90 5.0 I was used to 1.50 60ft times. Not spinning the tires like in the video.

Not on street radials you didn't. Probably not on anything less than a full slick.

[Gunsmoke]

Originally Posted by Stew

So, you have experience with this new 5.0 V8 in a car that is not out yet? Also stock to stock, the Mustang has already beat the Ls3.......

it's not out huh? just to REGULAR people like you. (by regular i mean lame.) Call me Master P cuz i got the hook up.

Originally Posted by todd03blown

LOL ....There is a post over at SVTP forums where some of the mustang tuning vendors are getting great performance and #'s working on this motor NA. Again it is all here say at this time since a lot of this info is not being shared currently at least to the general populationi.

hmmm..... but it's not out yet. right stew?

Originally Posted by mrray13

Really? Oh..the comparision by Motor Trend? Or another magazine?

While entertaining, I think we should wait until the 11s hit the drag strip. Also, we really should wait until the 2011 MY Camaro comes out before we say conclusively the 5.0 can beat the LS3, or even the L99 for that matter.

With that said, I'll concede the 11 GT is the quicker car by the reviews. Now unto people actually taking them to the strip and see who wins. As well as GM answering back.


Or we keep bench racing and prove nothing?? Lol.....which is fun too I guess. I keep posting in the threads, lol.

2 Points for the guy with common sense!

[QUOTE=Stew;1687449]Well, you can't really fudge the subjective data, same track, same day, same conditions, the Mustang had the quicker time. I wouldn't count on anything more than gears suspension upgrades for the 11 Camaro, and I am not sure the gears would actually help and may even hurt as from NHRA Stockers post in the vs section got me thinking, it would almost certainly cause an additional shift to be needed before the end of the 1/4 mile and the difference between 3.45 and 3.73 gears isn't that much anyways. And yes we will see more when the 11 Stang hits the tracks, but considering the 12.9-13.1 the Camaro has gotten from them is a pretty good match for the average LS3 times (maybe even quicker than alot are seeing), I'd say this is a damned good indication of what we will be seeing when they get in the hands of owners.[/QUOTE]

good point.

[Gunsmoke]

anyways it's all bench racing until they're out to the public. i'm outty, this thread bores me now. lol

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I submit for your reading pleasure a lesson on BMEP (brake mean effective pressure)

http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine..._yardstick.htm

In short. For the 5.0 motor in the new mustang to break 450 torque it would have to exceed the BMEP of a formula one engine which is at ~220psi.

As it sits the 5.0 is already at 194 psi bmep which is very astounding and quite an accomplishment for ford. But this is not so good for the outlook of future NA modifications and power output.

BMEP = 150.8 x TORQUE (lb-ft) / DISPLACEMENT (ci)

PLUG IN SOME NUMBERS AND ENJOY

LS3 at 200 psi bmep (stock is 168psi)= 500 torque (Rather accurate here)

5.0 at 200 psi bmep (stock is 194psi)= 400 torque. At 450 torque the BMEP of the 5.0 would be at 224 psi.

Discuss

Originally Posted by Sax1031

And yes a 6.2 has more potential than a 5.0.

Is anybody really trying to suggest that a smaller displacement motor, normally aspirated, has the potential to make more power than one with larger dispacement?

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Then Chevy should drop a set of 4:10 rear gears in and see what happens...

Hmmmm...Camaro gets hit with a gas guzzler tax, maybe?

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Is anybody really trying to suggest that a smaller displacement motor, normally aspirated, has the potential to make more power than one with larger dispacement?

I hope not

Hmmmm...Camaro gets hit with a gas guzzler tax, maybe?

If it was an option it would not get the gas guzzler tax. But it would be sad if the 2011 SS got hit with a gas guzzler tax and the 2011 GT500 didn't.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Hmmmm...Camaro gets hit with a gas guzzler tax, maybe?

not if the EPA rating does not change....

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

If it was an option it would not get the gas guzzler tax.

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

not if the EPA rating does not change....

It was a joke, guys. Guess I should have put in a smilie.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

That's not always true, either. Trust me, if you and I are rolling at anything less than 75mph and punch it, my car is going to have traction issues.

It's funny that a lot of the same people that won't accept that there is a four tenths difference between the 2011 Mustang GT and the 2011 SS Camaro do believe that there is only a .1 difference between a 2010 Camaro SS and a 2010 Shelby GT500.

Not on street radials you didn't. Probably not on anything less than a full slick.

EXACTLY. The test with the GT500 was same track and same day with same drivers. It didnt prove a damn thing except that they couldnt drive the GT500.

One look at the 115-118 traps it is easy to see the GT500 is a solid 11 second car with a good 60ft.

I never lived with such delusions of it being head to head with the SS... or have I ever said such a thing.

And yeah...1.5 60ft= WOW. Were you almost lifting the wheels?

An EXCELLENT launch on street tires is 1.8.
1.9-2.0 is the norm/decent for most rwd street cars with capable drivers.

[Sax1031]

Yes it was full slicks and the suspension was set to go straight. I would have died in twisties if I was trying to drive fast. lol

[2SSARMY]

Hi.

Do I need to get this thread locked?

[ULTRAZLS1]

sweet

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

One look at the 115-118 traps it is easy to see the GT500 is a solid 11 second car with a good 60ft.

I never lived with such delusions of it being head to head with the SS... or have I ever said such a thing.

And yeah...1.5 60ft= WOW. Were you almost lifting the wheels?

An EXCELLENT launch on street tires is 1.8.
1.9-2.0 is the norm/decent for most rwd street cars with decent drivers.

Too bad more folks don't show as much common sense as you do. I hold that one Camaro SS/GT500 comparison in the same high regard as I do the recent article/video showing the drag race between the 2010 Camaro SS/2011 Mustang GT.

Let the people who want to debate what some driver did, in some car, in some magazine compared to another one continue on. All that really matters is what you can do in your car. Just because Evan Smith can drive a stock 2010 GT500 into the 11's does not mean I will ever be able to do so, therefore, whatever stock time I am able to achieve is all I have to work with.