2010 Mustang

[camaro5]

I've said it many times...When designing the 2005 Mustang, the beancounters had arguments for a long time: Do it right, or do it cheap. They chose cheap.

They have a platform now, that can't even be upgraded like when they added IRS to the previous FOX (Fairmont) Mustang platform. That was part of the argument, that if they stayed with solid rear axle, there would be no upgrades this time.

It will take a platform re-design on the 2012 Mustang before they have IRS. It's the answer to maintaining traction in corners, when minor or major road imperfections are encountered. Not skidding sideways, as with solid rear axle cars.

As far as horsepower to weight ratios...We gotcha now Ford and Dodge. Thanks for showing us your cards about 2012. Chevy will be BACK with an answer. Hell, GM may OWN Dodge by then.

Unless everyone puts 4's and 6's in everything...

Lastly, I'm a fun-to-drive ho, I'd love a Mustang in my garage. But first give me my Camaro and/or Corvette.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by camaro5

I've said it many times...When designing the 2005 Mustang, the beancounters had arguments for a long time: Do it right, or do it cheap. They chose cheap.

They have a platform now, that can't even be upgraded like when they added IRS to the previous FOX (Fairmont) Mustang platform. That was part of the argument, that if they stayed with solid rear axle, there would be no upgrades this time.

It will take a platform re-design on the 2012 Mustang before they have IRS. It's the answer to maintaining traction in corners, when minor or major road imperfections are encountered. Not skidding sideways, as with solid rear axle cars.

As far as horsepower to weight ratios...We gotcha now Ford and Dodge. Thanks for showing us your cards about 2012. Chevy will be BACK with an answer. Hell, GM may OWN Dodge by then.

Unless everyone puts 4's and 6's in everything...

Lastly, I'm a fun-to-drive ho, I'd love a Mustang in my garage. But first give me my Camaro and/or Corvette.

[kevin2323]

like owning dodge is a good thing for gm.....please...

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

you display both the negligence of hard facts and the willingness to selectively read which makes me believe you are unable to continue this conversation. I hope you guessed right, for the sake of the mustang. However, i hope your on this site because you recognize support the Camaro. The same car which will be dusting the streets with mustangs and challengers for years to come.

Like I said, you can believe it or not....

Originally Posted by camaro5

I've said it many times...When designing the 2005 Mustang, the beancounters had arguments for a long time: Do it right, or do it cheap. They chose cheap.

Actually, I think Ford would argue that they chose both and that S197 was the right car for the time. I think the long term proves this out at least somewhat, since Ford North America's ability to bring the D2C platform the Mustang rides on in under budget and the Mustang's success in the market has changed the way Ford looks at rwd cars in every respect. Arguably Mustang is the only reason Ford is developing the upcoming GRWD platform at all, and the Mustang's overall success is the reason Dearborn got the job with GRWD and no Australia.

Originally Posted by camaro5

They have a platform now, that can't even be upgraded like when they added IRS to the previous FOX (Fairmont) Mustang platform. That was part of the argument, that if they stayed with solid rear axle, there would be no upgrades this time.

An IRS exists for the D2C platform already, and Ford can adapt the platform to IRS anytime they choose. In fact, GRWD appears likely to be a heavily revised version of D2C, and we know that GRWD is using an IRS setup. Their hand wasn't forced, Ford chose not to us IRS in the S197 update.

Originally Posted by camaro5

As far as horsepower to weight ratios...We gotcha now Ford and Dodge. Thanks for showing us your cards about 2012. Chevy will be BACK with an answer.

And that is what makes this whole thing interesting to begin with.

Originally Posted by camaro5

Unless everyone puts 4's and 6's in everything

You will see a lot more four and six pot motors, but the affordable V8 will never die.

[Georgie]

sra is fine for now. the cobalt ss/tc has a torsion beam and brings it on the track unless i am taking the turn out of krispy kreme at 45 mph i will be just fine

[Congoman775]

Not to add to the 'steriotype' but i had to do a mass survey for my Adv. Macro Econ class.... i think you guys will like...

78% of 05-09' mustangs in the Alachua County Gainesville Area (University of Florida) are...... Girls.


over 22,000 people submitted information.

[Georgie]

awesome. that will be good for you when a girlie beats you with her 2011. maybe you can get her number after

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

Not to add to the 'steriotype' but i had to do a mass survey for my Adv. Macro Econ class.... i think you guys will like...

78% of 05-09' mustangs in the Alachua County Gainesville Area (University of Florida) are...... Girls.


over 22,000 people submitted information.

Not a problem for me. IMHO the greatest cars have typically been those which transcend boundaries like social class or gender. Put plainly, cars for which a surprisingly broad base of people have an appreciation. 911 does it, Mini/MINI Cooper does it, and so does the Mustang. That broad based appeal tends to make for a better car over time and is a large part of the reason the car has never gone away. It also helps to pay for versions like the GT500 which we likely wouldn't get were the car a lower interest, lower volume piece....but since you appear to be an Econ major like I was, you either knew most of that already or will soon enough.

So yeah, I'm all about the Mustang chicks.

[nester7929]

They probably won't do IRS so they can keep the cost below the Camaro.

[camaro5]

Good Ford info, thanks.

Ford chose solid rear axle - cool. I choose not to buy one. To each his own.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by syr74

Not a problem for me. IMHO the greatest cars have typically been those which transcend boundaries like social class or gender. Put plainly, cars for which a surprisingly broad base of people have an appreciation. 911 does it, Mini/MINI Cooper does it, and so does the Mustang. That broad based appeal tends to make for a better car over time and is a large part of the reason the car has never gone away. It also helps to pay for versions like the GT500 which we likely wouldn't get were the car a lower interest, lower volume piece....but since you appear to be an Econ major like I was, you either knew most of that already or will soon enough.

So yeah, I'm all about the Mustang chicks.

I understand your line of thinking.

and im glad you dont object to the mustang being a Chick Car

Originally Posted by Georgie

awesome. that will be good for you when a girlie beats you with her 2011. maybe you can get her number after

yea...

about that.

Lets assume Ford makes it to 2011....

From the numbers we've seen from those fine gentlemen who grace us with their speculative information, the 2011 wont even be as fast as the SS...

...

400hp 360lbs Torque< 422hp 410lbs Torque.... Camaro wins. EVEN if the numbers turn out to be right.


So what makes you think that ...

A. you'll even be able to hang with an SS...

or B.

That the SS wouldn't have improved by such lengths that ford AGAIN brings up the rear?

common mate. either way you loose.

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

I understand your line of thinking.

and im glad you dont object to the mustang being a Chick Car





yea...

about that.

Lets assume Ford makes it to 2011....

From the numbers we've seen from those fine gentlemen who grace us with their speculative information, the 2011 wont even be as fast as the SS...

...

400hp 360lbs Torque< 422hp 410lbs Torque.... Camaro wins. EVEN if the numbers turn out to be right.


So what makes you think that ...

A. you'll even be able to hang with an SS...

or B.

That the SS wouldn't have improved by such lengths that ford AGAIN brings up the rear?

common mate. either way you loose.

mustang owners are always a little hurt that the camaro is always better.

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

I understand your line of thinking.

and im glad you dont object to the mustang being a Chick Car





yea...

about that.

Lets assume Ford makes it to 2011....

From the numbers we've seen from those fine gentlemen who grace us with their speculative information, the 2011 wont even be as fast as the SS...

...

400hp 360lbs Torque< 422hp 410lbs Torque.... Camaro wins. EVEN if the numbers turn out to be right.


So what makes you think that ...

A. you'll even be able to hang with an SS...

or B.

That the SS wouldn't have improved by such lengths that ford AGAIN brings up the rear?

common mate. either way you loose.

your forgetting the weigh issue , the STANG WILL BE MUCH LIGHTER than the MARO which makes a BIG DIFFERENCE IN PERFORMANCE it will be a close race don't kid yourself Ford knows it has to compete in order to maintain MARKET DOMINANCE

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

your forgetting the weigh issue , the STANG WILL BE MUCH LIGHTER than the MARO which makes a BIG DIFFERENCE IN PERFORMANCE it will be a close race don't kid yourself Ford knows it has to compete in order to maintain MARKET DOMINANCE

No. It wont be "MUCH LIGHTER"

it already breaches the scales at 3590lbs, give 100lbs for an engine, and 100 lbs for the sake of saftey... NOT COUNTING the 100's of lbs that will be added once ford gets around to developing a 21st century IRS, your already at 3790 which is basically 3800. think of it this way... The GT500 is going to have a lighter engine than the new GT's.

what else is in the 3800lb range? oh ya, a Camaro.

as for market dominance...

i think that died when GM started selling the bottom line V6's with as much power as fords top of the line factory mustang, for 22.9k