The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Because I can't visually imprint what's in my head and what I kno is true through actual experience of seeing it for myself with my own eyes... I'll use this visual aid from C&D's recent lightning laps that is a fairly unbiased and true look at actual handling, not just speed if I have ever seen one:



GOOD LORD... that completely goes against your theory... as the numbers show that the Camaro is certainly more capable than the GT.. but damn near as fast as the GT500. Sadly.. both the GT and the SS are better race track runners than the much more expensive and much more powerful GT500.

As i said before... if the new '11 GT is even a smidge better than the 2010 GT... even with 10 more HP the GT500 will be essentially OBSOLETE. A simple bump in HP for the Camaro SS to the Corvette spec LS3 would render the GT500 defenseless as it stands now... the Z28.. should be considered... well OVER-KILL.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Because their unreliable Ford engine had taken all their money...

That wasn't nearly as funny as your smiley would indicate. Any time your in Pa and you want to go to beaver springs to settle this the fun way I'm game.
You'll get to see just how fast and reliable a fun engine is.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by coolman

That wasn't nearly as funny as your smiley would indicate. Any time your in Pa and you want to go to beaver springs to settle this the fun way I'm game.
You'll get to see just how fast and reliable a fun engine is.

it was to me

BTW you are the one that said they didn't have the funds to build a Ford engine... so by your own statement it's harder to build a fun Ford engine economically...Dollar for Dollar you get more HP from a Chevy.. Always have, always will..
Naw, I don't need to come up there just to find out something I can experience here locally...

Just want you to know I said it just for funnin' with ya, I respect Fords and their engines,. It really does not matter one way or the other to me..

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Because I can't visually imprint what's in my head and what I kno is true through actual experience of seeing it for myself with my own eyes... I'll use this visual aid from C&D's recent lightning laps that is a fairly unbiased and true look at actual handling, not just speed if I have ever seen one:



GOOD LORD... that completely goes against your theory... as the numbers show that the Camaro is certainly more capable than the GT.. but damn near as fast as the GT500. Sadly.. both the GT and the SS are better race track runners than the much more expensive and much more powerful GT500.

As i said before... if the new '11 GT is even a smidge better than the 2010 GT... even with 10 more HP the GT500 will be essentially OBSOLETE. A simple bump in HP for the Camaro SS to the Corvette spec LS3 would render the GT500 defenseless as it stands now... the Z28.. should be considered... well OVER-KILL.

The only reason the Camaro was quicker than the GT was the Camaros power PERIOD. The 5.0 should have no trouble putting the Mustang GT ahead on a road course. As for the GT500, don't forget it's about more than 10 HP jump, there will be 120 less pounds over the wheels to improve weight distribution and the SVT track package, it should be a total beast. Heck, if what Ford says is correct, the V6 with it's track pack is supposed to be quicker than a GT with a track pack around a road course.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Stew

The only reason the Camaro was quicker than the GT was the Camaros power PERIOD. The 5.0 should have no trouble putting the Mustang GT ahead on a road course. As for the GT500, don't forget it's about more than 10 HP jump, there will be 120 less pounds over the wheels to improve weight distribution and the SVT track package, it should be a total beast. Heck, if what Ford says is correct, the V6 with it's track pack is supposed to be quicker than a GT with a track pack around a road course.

If you think the Camaro beat the Mustang in the Lightning Lap because of its handling your an idiot.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

it was to me

BTW you are the one that said they didn't have the funds to build a Ford engine... so by your own statement it's harder to build a fun Ford engine economically...Dollar for Dollar you get more HP from a Chevy.. Always have, always will..
Naw, I don't need to come up there just to find out something I can experience here locally...

Just want you to know I said it just for funnin' with ya, I respect Fords and their engines,. It really does not matter one way or the other to me..

I'm just kidding too. I love both cars ( the camaro a little less right now because it's still in the shop) and have both. I know all about how much it cost to build anything other then chevys. I dragged raced mopars for many years and they are the most expensive to build.

[2010SLVRBULIT]

..will have to test drive the V6 stang when it comes out..now if I can only get past that horrific tail end..

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by Stew

The only reason the Camaro was quicker than the GT was the Camaros power PERIOD. The 5.0 should have no trouble putting the Mustang GT ahead on a road course. As for the GT500, don't forget it's about more than 10 HP jump, there will be 120 less pounds over the wheels to improve weight distribution and the SVT track package, it should be a total beast. Heck, if what Ford says is correct, the V6 with it's track pack is supposed to be quicker than a GT with a track pack around a road course.

A. Nobody gives a shit about 6 cyl mustangs and camaros except for girls and girly men. (its a joke guys with 6 bangers, dont get yer panties in a bunch)

B. The mustangs is still balls down the ugliest car from the rear end.

C. Its still going to attract effing the typical douche nerd mustang driver that thinks their car is faster than anything. Yes your typical GT mustang driver is the domestic equivelent of a BMW driver. They think the car makes them cool or something.

D. It will be a drivers race again. The mustang isnt going to stomp anything. And by anything I mean a SS camaro.

E. Mods...they will probably not be as effective (again) for the mustang motor, as it will be running more efficently from the factory with DOHC. So mod for mod the lsx motor will still be a better performer.

Oh and by the way, there is no...0...zip, zada difference between a mustang track pack and adding sway bars to a ss. I know some of you dummies will say "that doesnt count, its aftermarket!"

A swaybar upgrade is a sway bar upgrade is a swaybar upgrade. Quit yer crying. You can always go back to the deserted mustang sites and maybe try to repopulate them.

Its funny how many camaro sites came out of nowhere and are sucessful, but mustang sites just sit around and collect interwebz dust.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

A. Nobody gives a shit about 6 cyl mustangs and camaros except for girls and girly men. (its a joke guys with 6 bangers, dont get yer panties in a bunch)

Except that the success of a V6 generally ensures the success of the model.

B. The mustangs is still balls down the ugliest car from the rear end.

In your opinion

C. Its still going to attract effing the typical douche nerd mustang driver that thinks their car is faster than anything. Yes your typical GT mustang driver is the domestic equivelent of a BMW driver. They think the car makes them cool or something.

As apposed to Camaro drivers who realize their care REALLY DOES make them cool

D. It will be a drivers race again. The mustang isnt going to stomp anything. And by anything I mean a SS camaro.

Drivers race in the same way the Challenger SRT is a drivers race... the boys with the slower car talk about how its a drivers race, while the Camaro boys (or in this case, mustang) put the benchracing victory in the bag.

E. Mods...they will probably not be as effective (again) for the mustang motor, as it will be running more efficently from the factory with DOHC. So mod for mod the lsx motor will still be a better performer.

Can't make up for 3900lbs, the Mustang will have every advantage because of the weight.

Oh and by the way, there is no...0...zip, zada difference between a mustang track pack and adding sway bars to a ss. I know some of you dummies will say "that doesnt count, its aftermarket!"

???????????????????????????? You think all the track pack is, is a sway bar????

A swaybar upgrade is a sway bar upgrade is a swaybar upgrade. Quit yer crying. You can always go back to the deserted mustang sites and maybe try to repopulate them.



Its funny how many camaro sites came out of nowhere and are sucessful, but mustang sites just sit around and collect interwebz dust.

Just for good measure

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

I take it you drive a mustang.


Anyways. Dont you think its funny that ford had to upgrade the suspension of the gt to make it more competitive with the ss...with no suspension options?

So your going to tell me that power cant overcome a weight issue? LOL. How the hell do you think the gt500 gets around?

Ever notice the gtr is also 3900 lbs. Not saying the Camaro is anywhere near that level of handleing, but its stupid to think that power doesnt help.

Anyways buddy you can bench race away, while I actually have my car.

Yes mustang drivers are mostly tools...thats why they come here instead of going to mustang sites. They dont even get along with each other.

Have fun on $1000 cams alone. Your car is going to get walked mod for mod. If you ever get one, and are not just a mouth behind a keyboard.

[coolman]

A. Nobody gives a shit about 6 cyl mustangs and camaros except for girls and girly men. (its a joke guys with 6 bangers, dont get yer panties in a bunch)
A lot of people care about the v-6, and you will too when the V-8's go bye bye. Your looking at the future when your looking at the V-6 and ford makes a good one.
B. The mustangs is still balls down the ugliest car from the rear end.
This is your opinion. I own both of these cars and to me the camaro looks just as bad from the back side as the mustang. My buddies call it fat ass.
C. Its still going to attract effing the typical douche nerd mustang driver that thinks their car is faster than anything. Yes your typical GT mustang driver is the domestic equivelent of a BMW driver. They think the car makes them cool or something.
I take offence to this statement in the respect that I've own a mustang and don't act nothing like you portray. I guess camaro guys are the same way then because I own one of those also.
D. It will be a drivers race again. The mustang isnt going to stomp anything. And by anything I mean a SS camaro.
This is the first sensible statement you made yet, and I completely agree with that.(If your talking the GT Vs the SS that is.
E. Mods...they will probably not be as effective (again) for the mustang motor, as it will be running more efficently from the factory with DOHC. So mod for mod the lsx motor will still be a better performer.
From everything you read if you pay attention, the mustang motor is built for mods. There is alot of room to make a lot more power with the 5.0L
Oh and by the way, there is no...0...zip, zada difference between a mustang track pack and adding sway bars to a ss. I know some of you dummies will say "that doesnt count, its aftermarket!"
The track pack is much more than a sway bar upgrade. You get lower gears, svt front and rear sway bars, gt500 front struts and rear shocks, strut tower brace, larger wheels with pirelli performance tires. a more aggressive ECM tune and svt lower control arms.
A swaybar upgrade is a sway bar upgrade is a swaybar upgrade. Quit yer crying. You can always go back to the deserted mustang sites and maybe try to repopulate them.
This is just uncalled for.
Its funny how many camaro sites came out of nowhere and are sucessful, but mustang sites just sit around and collect interwebz dust.
And this is just sticks and stones.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

D. It will be a drivers race again. The mustang isnt going to stomp anything. And by anything I mean a SS camaro.

You keep thinking that, I have a soft spot for blind optimism.

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

E. Mods...they will probably not be as effective (again) for the mustang motor, as it will be running more efficently from the factory with DOHC. So mod for mod the lsx motor will still be a better performer.

Really? The Coyote's heads flow more air, and the valvetrain is capable of surviving far more rpm's than the LS series V8 can. I think some folks are going to be surprised at just how much Ford left on the table.

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

Oh and by the way, there is no...0...zip, zada difference between a mustang track pack and adding sway bars to a ss.

I actually think you believe that. You'll be glad to know that there is no Track Pack option for 2011, all Mustang GT's get a revised (read: improved) version of the Track Pack suspension setup for 2011.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Because their unreliable Ford engine had taken all their money...

No, it's because people want a quality built car, but also a cheap/disposable/replaceable engine.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by syr74

You keep thinking that, I have a soft spot for blind optimism.

Blind optimism? LOL. You must feel real confident in the mustang to have to come to a Camaro site and tell everyone how awsome it is. Do you think your going to get GT500 performance from this car for mustang gt price? LOL. Its going to be close.

Originally Posted by syr74

Really? The Coyote's heads flow more air, and the valvetrain is capable of surviving far more rpm's than the LS series V8 can. I think some folks are going to be surprised at just how much Ford left on the table.

You do some rpm testing on these motors? I mean I have my new 5.0 in the basement, but I havent had the time to test it yet. I spun my 80,000 mile ls1 (a 1998 block too) to 7k dailey. But rpms are not everything.

Originally Posted by syr74

I actually think you believe that. You'll be glad to know that there is no Track Pack option for 2011, all Mustang GT's get a revised (read: improved) version of the Track Pack suspension setup for 2011.

The whole point of the argument was that when you upgraded the ss stock parts to improved parts you get the same results for the same price.