CAFE FINES

SSNIGHTMARE · 10-02-2008, 09:06 PM

Are the CAFE fines still $5.50 per tenth of a mpg below the standard?

shank0668 · 10-02-2008, 09:09 PM

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SSNIGHTMARE · 10-02-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shank0668

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I'm aware CAFE sucks, but that doesn't answer my question.

*GTAHVIT* · 10-02-2008, 09:17 PM

I don't think they've changed that.... yet.

SSNIGHTMARE · 10-02-2008, 09:26 PM

If that is true isn't quite inexpensive to violate CAFE and provide us a kick ass car. We were told to keep the faith by the father, now he is wavering and saying CAFE is making it hard. Can't they just tack on a few hundred bucks and call it even, or is something more than the fine? When do the strict CAFE rules go in effect 2020?

*DGthe3* · 10-08-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SSNIGHTMARE

If that is true isn't quite inexpensive to violate CAFE and provide us a kick ass car. We were told to keep the faith by the father, now he is wavering and saying CAFE is making it hard. Can't they just tack on a few hundred bucks and call it even, or is something more than the fine? When do the strict CAFE rules go in effect 2020?

They ramp up until then. But I had a similar idea, just tack on an extra X amount for gas guzzlers and make it clear what that fee is going toward.

The_Stache · 10-08-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

They ramp up until then. But I had a similar idea, just tack on an extra X amount for gas guzzlers and make it clear what that fee is going toward.

The problem isn't base solely on X cents per .1 mpg out of range.. its also based on volume sold.

So you have a fine that isn't a definitive number. To make it a definitive number would mean they make such a small amount of them that they are controlled through the production line.

That means your $X more fine just became a $XX dealer market adjustment.(and very limited quantity available.. who wants the z28 to be a 5-10k production car?)

GM wants to stay out of this especially since the whole challenger/gt500 debacle.

SSNIGHTMARE · 10-08-2008, 07:30 PM

I know it pertains to all cars sold, but does it effect all camaros sold or just that specific model?

SSNIGHTMARE · 10-08-2008, 07:41 PM

Isn't the new CAFE 2020?

*DGthe3* · 10-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by diarmadhi

The problem isn't base solely on X cents per .1 mpg out of range.. its also based on volume sold.

So you have a fine that isn't a definitive number. To make it a definitive number would mean they make such a small amount of them that they are controlled through the production line.

That means your $X more fine just became a $XX dealer market adjustment.(and very limited quantity available.. who wants the z28 to be a 5-10k production car?)

GM wants to stay out of this especially since the whole challenger/gt500 debacle.

the post that I made was too short to explain what I meant.

lets say that the top 95% of GM's cars average 35 mpg by 2020, after taking in all the adjustments to be made for ethanol, footprint, and all the others. The rest average say 25 mpg. That drops GM's CAFE by 0.5 mpg.

So either everyone pays for a 0.5 mpg drop (GM's gonna pass the cost onto the buyer one way or the other), or the 5% that cause the problem knowingly pay for a 10 mpg drop.

10-02-2008, 09:06 PM	#1
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10-02-2008, 09:26 PM	#5
SSNIGHTMARE Drives: 2002 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: PA Posts: 372	If that is true isn't quite inexpensive to violate CAFE and provide us a kick ass car. We were told to keep the faith by the father, now he is wavering and saying CAFE is making it hard. Can't they just tack on a few hundred bucks and call it even, or is something more than the fine? When do the strict CAFE rules go in effect 2020? __________________ 04 GMC LB7, SOCAL DIESEL STAGE 2 HEADS, CROWER RODS, TWIN CP3 483 RWHP, 1008 FT/LBS, ATS 5K 02 SS, LSX BLOCK, 500 HP, WAITING ON BOOST 98 COBRA, EAGLE CRANK AND RODS, 568 RWHP, S-TRIM 02 SS, STOCK, THE SLO HO 08 CTS, POS EFI Live "Nitrous is like a hot girl with STD's, you know you wanna hit it but you're afraid of the consequences!" "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams

10-08-2008, 07:30 PM	#8
SSNIGHTMARE Drives: 2002 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: PA Posts: 372	I know it pertains to all cars sold, but does it effect all camaros sold or just that specific model? __________________ 04 GMC LB7, SOCAL DIESEL STAGE 2 HEADS, CROWER RODS, TWIN CP3 483 RWHP, 1008 FT/LBS, ATS 5K 02 SS, LSX BLOCK, 500 HP, WAITING ON BOOST 98 COBRA, EAGLE CRANK AND RODS, 568 RWHP, S-TRIM 02 SS, STOCK, THE SLO HO 08 CTS, POS EFI Live "Nitrous is like a hot girl with STD's, you know you wanna hit it but you're afraid of the consequences!" "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams

10-08-2008, 07:41 PM	#9
SSNIGHTMARE Drives: 2002 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: PA Posts: 372	Isn't the new CAFE 2020? __________________ 04 GMC LB7, SOCAL DIESEL STAGE 2 HEADS, CROWER RODS, TWIN CP3 483 RWHP, 1008 FT/LBS, ATS 5K 02 SS, LSX BLOCK, 500 HP, WAITING ON BOOST 98 COBRA, EAGLE CRANK AND RODS, 568 RWHP, S-TRIM 02 SS, STOCK, THE SLO HO 08 CTS, POS EFI Live "Nitrous is like a hot girl with STD's, you know you wanna hit it but you're afraid of the consequences!" "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams

10-02-2008, 09:09 PM	#2
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